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Everything that George Bush does is true and righteous altogether. For daring to question the all-holy George Bush and suggesting that a given Foreign Policy will actually make us less safe, Ron Paul is just a blame-America-defeatist-traitor-coward moonbat. Great, now that we've got that out of the way, maybe we can discuss the article.
1 posted on 07/22/2007 2:02:11 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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2 posted on 07/22/2007 2:03:02 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (Please Ping or FReepMail me to be added to the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Well there’s one I agree with him on.


3 posted on 07/22/2007 2:04:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Perhapos they do good work that doesn’t make the press.

But every time the import/export bank comes up it seems to be in connection with either something that doesn’t make market sense or isn’t good for the country.

As for Ron Paul - I like the guy and he is often right - its too bad he buys into all that crazy conspiracy finance stuff - I could never see him a position of national leadership.


4 posted on 07/22/2007 2:05:25 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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“RON PAUL opposes) Administration Plan to Subsidize China’s Nuclear Industry”

It is a happy day when this man makes sense. Pop the champagne corks!


6 posted on 07/22/2007 2:11:03 PM PDT by Grunthor (You dense, irritating, miniature beast of burden!)
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Westinghouse and the Bush administration point out, however, that if these cutting-edge reactors do well in China, it would spur domestic and world-wide business for Westinghouse, making more jobs in Pennsylvania.

Stealing from you and me to give to a corporation. It is called grand larceny.
7 posted on 07/22/2007 2:11:15 PM PDT by microgood
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Don’t wish to argue pro or con about Ron Paul.
Just thinking about this:

$5,000,000,000 ( 5 billion) divided by 5000 jobs =
$1,000,000 per job.

Suppose, instead, we give,say, $500,000 to each person to help them start a small business of their own. Thoughts?


9 posted on 07/22/2007 2:13:32 PM PDT by gb63
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

What is Ron Paul’s position on the Patriot Act? And what is his position on holding Al Qaeda terrorists at Guantanamo?


11 posted on 07/22/2007 2:14:52 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

What is wrong with George Bush?

I don’t have any more mad letters in me.........

Somebody else will have to write them.


12 posted on 07/22/2007 2:15:06 PM PDT by bperiwinkle7 ( In the beginning was the WORD................)
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(RON PAUL opposes) Administration Plan to Subsidize China’s Nuclear Industry

Dr. Paul is my hero!


18 posted on 07/22/2007 2:23:49 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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Ron, who?


33 posted on 07/22/2007 2:34:49 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

We tend to want to play Russian Roulette with no empty chambers, WTF!? Blackbird.


40 posted on 07/22/2007 2:50:01 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (I'm dug in, giving no more ground to the rino stampede. BB)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

5000 jobs in PA.
5 Billion of my tax dollars.
1 nuclear reactor in China.

Wouldn’t it just be easier to give the 5 billion dollars to the 5000 unemployed in Penn?

I don’t think they would mind taking the money and not having to work.


48 posted on 07/22/2007 2:56:30 PM PDT by live+let_live ("God is a mathematician with an eye for art.")
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Westinghouse employee here (although I’m in services, not new plants).

A couple of things to note.

1. The discussion revolves around a LOAN, not a gift. I’m not entirely familiar with the finances, but I do believe that it mainly serves as a vehicle to make payments from the communists to an American firm. So all of the Freepers who are clever with the math, please correct your statements that this would be like a LOAN of $1M to 5000 Americans.

2. The article is correct in that a large fraction of the work will be farmed out to South Korea. That’s because the United States lost all capabilities to make large forgings after orders of nuke plants died after Three Mile Island. The United States simply doesn’t have the capability to make the larger components.

3. Although I’m not real thrilled that we’re building nukes for a communist country, the article is correct in that it was going to happen anyway. In any case, the big benefit for this contract with the Chinese is that it will allow Westinghouse to staff-up in anticipation of a large number of domestic nuke plant orders. We’ll build them plants that are significantly safer than what the Russians would have built...and by the time we’re done, the next generation of plants will be available.

4. The article implies that we’re giving vital military knowledge away. The Chinese already have the bomb. The deal has been reviewed by the department of defense, and they didn’t have a problem with it.


50 posted on 07/22/2007 3:03:45 PM PDT by kidd
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Crazy. Let the Japanese subsidize it.


65 posted on 07/22/2007 3:23:13 PM PDT by Brilliant
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That costs one million dollars per job.
That is a waste of our money.
This man’s power has gone to his head.


69 posted on 07/22/2007 3:29:53 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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I agree with much of what RP stands for, but I also disagree with him on some vital issues, such as the WOT. No way are our policies the reason Islam wants us dead. Islam wants anyone who is not Muslim dead, and that war will be with us forever.


82 posted on 07/22/2007 3:40:15 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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What’s wrong with a little nuclear proliferation between friends? After all George Bush Sr. already gave China IBM super computers to facilitate their missle launching capability, and it’s all part of the global economy, right?/sarcasm


98 posted on 07/22/2007 4:01:54 PM PDT by gitmogrunt (8 years of Clinton ,8 years of Bush leaves me in a country I don't recognize anymore)
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Sanders, Paul, or Fortenberry will likely act once Ex-Im receives the application, and possibly hold hearings on the deal, which would be the largest subsidy in Ex-Im history.

The U.S. subsidizing Red China's acquisition of advanced nuclear technology is an astonishingly silly waste of taxpayer money. We have to borrow money every year to run our government as it is; thinking part of that money that is borrowed is going to the PRC acquiring more nuclear technology is bad enough, but when you consider that Red China is currently lending money to our government, that really takes the cake.

We will be paying the Red Chinese to take the reactors; the money that we are using to pay is borrowed in part from Red China; and we are going to pay interest on that money forever!

Red China has plenty enough dollars to finance this technology. My goodness, they are trying out to figure out how to invest the $1.2 trillion that they have sitting around presently, and have used a small fraction of that to buy into the Blackstone Group (a Carlyle enterprise, by the by; I have left an accompanying Japanese translation in):


China to invest in U.S. private equity group
(中国、米プライベート・エクイティ・グループに投資)
by Andrew Ross Sorkin and David Barboza
IH:May 20, 2007

NEW YORK: The Chinese government said Sunday that it would acquire a $3 billion stake in Blackstone Group, the private equity firm, in the first effort by Beijing to diversify its $1.2 trillion in foreign exchange reserves beyond U.S. Treasury bills and into commercial enterprise.

アメリカ短期国債以外に、そして営利事業に、$1.2兆に上る外貨準備を多様化する為の、中国政府による初めての努力の中、中国政府は日曜日、プライベート・エクイティ会社のブラックストーン・グループ株、$30億相当を取得すると語った。

The deal, set to coincide with Blackstone's $4 billion initial public offering this year, will give China a roughly 8 percent stake in Blackstone, which owns companies with 375,000 employees and $83 billion in annual sales.

ブラックストーンが今年予定している$40億相当のIPOと同時に行われるこの取引は、従業員375,000人、年間売り上げ$830億の企業を所有するブラックストーンの株式約8%を、中国に与える事になる。

It would also represent a watershed for the booming private equity industry as it attempts to gain a foothold in China.

また、成長著しいプライベート・エクイティ産業が中国に足場を得ようとする中で、それらの企業にとって重大な転機を現す事になるだろう。

"It's a historic change," Stephen Schwarzman, co-founder of Blackstone, said during an interview. "It's a paradigm shift in global capital flows."

「歴史的変化だ」 とブラックストーンの共同創立者スティーヴン・シュワルツマンがインタビューの中で言った。 「グローバル・キャピタル・フローのパラダイム・シフトだ」。

He called the Chinese government's decision "huge" and even "surprising."

彼は中国政府の決断を「非常に巨大」、そして「驚き」とすら呼んだ。

China has been grappling with how to invest its foreign reserves more aggressively. In March, China said that it would set up a special investment vehicle - the State Foreign Exchange Investment Company - to handle a portion of those reserves, which are now held by the central bank, in the hopes of earning a higher return for the country.

中国はより積極的な外貨準備投資方法に取り組んできた。 中国は3月、国家の為により高い利回りを稼いでくれる事を願って、現在は中央銀行が保有している外貨準備の一部を取り扱うべく、特別投資手段(国家外貨投資公司、SFEIC)を設立する、と述べた。

The agency is not yet operating, but the Blackstone deal suggests that the Chinese government is eager to put its vast reserves to work outside of China. Still, as Blackstone begins to invest in emerging markets like China, the deal offers the prospect that at least some of the money could find its way back to China. Indeed, Blackstone is planning to open offices in Hong Kong and Beijing this year.

この期間は未だ稼動していないが、ブラックストーンとの合意は、中国政府は莫大な外貨準備に中国国外で稼がせたがっている事を示唆している。 しかし、ブラックストーンが中国のような新興市場で投資を開始する中、この取り決めは、少なくともこの資金の一部は中国へ還流出来る、という可能性を提供している。 確かに、ブラックストーンは今年、香港と北京事務所の開設を計画している。

For years, China has invested in foreign currency, particularly U.S. Treasury bonds, which have earned a safe but modest return. But now, with the dollar in decline and the Chinese government willing to take on more risk to earn higher returns, the new agency is being modeled, in part, on Temasek Holdings, the state-owned investment vehicle in Singapore, which has invested billions of dollars around the world, particularly in China.

何年もの間中国は、手堅いながらも大した利回りも稼いでいない、外貨、特にアメリカ財務省債権に投資してきた。 だが現在、ドルは下がり、中国政府は高リターンの為に高リスクを取る事に前向きになる中、世界中で、特に中国で数十億ドルを投資してきた、シンガポールの国営投資機関テマセク・ホールディングスを、新しい機関は一部手本とした。

A similar investment agency in China would effectively create the world's largest hedge fund. Some analysts say that the China fund's investment of billions of dollars in the global financial markets could push global asset prices higher, affecting U.S. and European stocks, bonds and interest rates, as well as the value of energy and natural resources in Africa and the Middle East.

中国の同様の投資機関は、事実上世界最大のヘッジファンドを作り出すだろう。 一部のアナリスト達は、中国ファンド数十億ドルが国際金融市場で投資されれば、アフリカと中東のエネルギーおよび天然資源の価値と同じく、アメリカとヨーロッパの株式、債権、そして金利に影響し、国際資産価格を押し上げるだろう、と言っている。

Meanwhile, the Blackstone Group, which is based in New York, has been moving aggressively in recent months to find investments in China. Blackstone is trying to catch up to the Carlyle Group, which has a large operation in China.

一方、ブラックストーン・グループは、この数ヶ月間、中国で投資を発見すべく積極的に動き回っている。 ブラックストーンは中国で大規模なオペレーションを敷いている、カーライル・グループに追いつこうとしているのだ。

In January, Blackstone hired Anthony Leung, the former Hong Kong financial secretary, to run its business in China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. And last month, Reuters reported that Blackstone was seeking to acquire a stake in the Guofeng Group, one of the largest Chinese makers of plastic products.

1月、ブラックストーンは中国、香港、台湾でのビジネス運営用に、Anthony Leung元香港財務長官を採用した。 そして先月、ブラックストーンは、中国最大のプラスティック・メーカーの一つであるGuofengグループの株式を取得しようとしている、とロイター通信が伝えた。

Under the terms of the Chinese government investment in Blackstone, it will buy nonvoting shares as part of the firm's initial public offering at 95.5 percent of the public-offering price. It has agreed to keep its stake for at least four years.

ブラックストーンへの中国政府の投資条件の下、同社の公募価格の95.5%で、IPOの一部として無議決権株を購入する。 この株式は少なくとも4年間保有する事で合意された。

China may reduce its stake after the public offering so that it holds fewer than 10 percent of Blackstone shares. The public offering is expected to value Blackstone at as much as $40 billion.

ブラックストーン株を10%以下に出来るので、公募の後株式を中国は減らすかもしれない。 公募はブラックストーンに最大で$400億の価格をつけると予想されている。

While the investment may presage further Chinese investment in private equity firms in the future, China has promised not to invest in a competing private equity firm for a year.

この投資は中国が将来更にプライベート・エクイティ会社に投資する事の前兆となるかもしれないが、その一方で、競合プライベート・エクイティ会社には1年間投資しない、と中国は約束している。

Blackstone - which has led multibillion-dollar buyouts of Equity Office Properties, Freescale Semiconductor and Michaels Stores - manages a $15.6 billion buyout fund. In its prospectus, it reported $2.3 billion in profit in 2006.

Equity Office Properties、Freescale Semiconductor、そしてMichaels Storesの、数十億ドル規模の乗っ取りを率いたブラックストーンは、$156億相当の乗っ取りファンドを管理している。 目論見書によれば、2006年の利益は$23億との事。



104 posted on 07/22/2007 4:13:29 PM PDT by snowsislander
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Ah, everything old is new again.

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115 posted on 07/22/2007 5:10:59 PM PDT by WannabeTurk (01/20/09)
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Enough of kissing China’s butt.


118 posted on 07/22/2007 5:50:02 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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