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HELP WITH A RESPONSE TO A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT

Posted on 07/21/2007 9:05:38 PM PDT by pctech

I am a subscriber to a sports website in Chicago. Normally it's a good place to go to get views on my favorite Chicago teams, but unfortunately it's also a liberal snake pit as well. These guys are so hypocritical it defies description.

I recently received a response to a message about the low approval ratings and of course they turn it around and blame it on the GOP (to which some it does rightfully belong). I am going to post this person's response in hopes that freepers can help me come up with a good reply. The message is as follows:

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Yes, the approval rating of Congress is lower than the president]’s. But have you stopped to wonder why?

First of all, let’s separate the House from Senate bodies. The Democrats hold a decisive majority to act and pass on legislation reflecting the will of the American public as expressed by last November’s voting. On the Senate side, the gains gave the Democrats a majority, but one that does not have (as does the House) the force to carry out the will expressed by the electorate. In short, moving legislation coming from the House, faces an uphill battle, as the reality to pass legislation with simple majorities and beat back a Bush veto with the necessary 67 votes required, well, that hasn’t happened, and most likely, won’t happen, given the entrenched attitude about protecting Bush.

So, the approval rating is right. BUT it reflects more than (as you seem to infer) disapproval of Democrats.

True, the Senate Democrats own blame in the perception and assessment the American public holds and expressed. There ARE Democrats who don’t have the cajones “to go to the mattresses” when it they should ---just as there are Republicans who say they are distancing themselves from the p[resident]’s stay-the-course policy, but don’t put their vote where their mouth is when critical end-the-war Iraq votes come up. They, more than the Democrats, are obstructionist when it comes to changing the failed policy being followed in Iraq. Their loyalty blinds them and thus they confuse supporting the troops with supporting the p[resident]. It’s more of the Sara Taylor’s statement before The Judiciary Committee: (I paraphrase) “I took an oath to support the President.” (rather than I took an oath to uphold the Constittion !!!)

That’s not all of it.

If you’ve been following the last six years, you KNOW what Bush said about changing the climate in Washington. You KNOW he said he was a “unificator” and not a divider. You KNOW he locked up (to deny access) the records of past presidents, including his own National Guard “pretend” service documents as well as personal records ----like his Yale dissertation, or his cocaine use. You KNOW he had an “Intelligence” within the Intelligence Agency (The Office of Special Plans headed up by Wolfolwitz and Feith) that was secretly manipulating policy to fit the case for the Iraq war. You KNOW the use of the 16 word statement uttered by Bush in his State of the Union speech, even though it was FALSE. You KNOW Collin Powell lied by providing misleading information about the chemical and biological “weapons” Iraq had. You KNOW Cheney lied when he said Iraq was responsible for the attacks of 9-11. You KNOW the continual litany of lies and misinformation spewed out like foam out of a rabid dog’s mouth, and the out-right crimes being perpetrated in our name. BushCo continues to feed on it’s perversion of the truth.

The American people are mad.

The people KNOW what should be done on issues. And because they do, they're not bashful about indicting the lot of politicians. The people want out of Iraq, they want to do away with the secret deals and secret prisons and the sanctioned torture BushCo gives voice to disapproving but has enabled and practiced. (Can you say Abu Grahib?). The people don't want the obstruction of congressional investigations. They don't want more lies poured on them as if they were stupid. They KNOW the truth has more force to cleanse and heal that it’s worth bringing it to light. They’ve had enough of the deception that compounds the already corrupt.

The people don't want the U.S. kidnapping of people off the street of other countries said to be "targets" and violating the sovereignty of those countries in doing so. The people want a stop to the invasion of their privacy and the devious illegal means used to invade it (Can you say Ashcroft and Comey vs. Gonzales and goons?). The people want their government's resources to fund universal health care and to repair lives (Can you say Katrina and Walter Reed?) rather than spent on ways to kill and maim and destroy human-kind. The people want competence by those charged with decision-making responsibilities affecting us. They don't want Chernoff's "gut" the barometer for announcing threats and instilling fear. They want competence framing pronouncements like that. The people KNOW and want their politicians to know right from wrong, not the Vitters, DeLays, Cunninghams, Gonzales', Abrammoffs, Foleys, Cheneys and on and on and on....and on…. And yes, there IS so much more.

The low confidence / approval rating reflects a bundle of things. But be sure of one thing. We, as a people and a country, would NOT BE IN THIS FRICKIN' MESS if it wasn't for the idiot in the White House. Yes, idiot. He works for me / us, and I for one want him gone.

I am ashamed of what has been done in our name and I find it is past the time when the House should move on Impeachment Hearings against Bush and Cheney.

That is the ONLY way to separate lies from truth. Anything short of that process remains a we said – they said contest.

Time to Impeach Bush & Cheney.

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After a couple of days I will gather all that is shared, condense it and send a reply to this "ahem" gentleman.

Thanks for all your help.


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To: pctech

With democrats we have come to the point where the normal thing is to call for government to step in and do everything, for new and more laws, and forever to spend more and new money… no matter.
It is the normal thing to support abortion—and to ask why abortion wasn’t covered as an option by so-called serious journalists in a silly movie—a comedy about being “knocked up.” It’s hard to take them seriously but still we must recognize what has become normal today.
It is normal to regulate industry out of existence, to claim environmental concerns without basis in fact, to support unions—through their paid for politicians—stripping away the right to a secret ballot as to whether workers want that union to represent them.
It is normal to provide bilingual education that isn’t bilingual at all—but guarantying failure in America for those who do not learn to speak English.
It is normal to teach socialism and liberal liturgy in public schools.
It is normal to avoid enforcing the law on our borders.
It is normal to assume white athletes raped a black stripper with no basis in fact.
It is normal to promise people anything—and everything—paid for by taking earned money from productive citizens through taxes.
It is normal to assume every lawsuit filed alleging discrimination on the basis of race or sex has merit with no basis in fact.
It is normal to ban speech that is not deemed politically correct by the masters of politically correct speech—from such lofty perches as Professors in Women’s Studies or African American Studies—courses of study in academia that prepares students for a host of career choices rivaled by none other.
It is normal to push for legislation to remove or limit gun possession in citizens’ hands regardless of innocence—which has the effect of making certain criminals are always better armed.
It is normal to castigate religion—particularly if it’s a fundamental Christian religion and mock, vilify and hate those who believe the bible to be the inspired word of God.
It is normal to spit on troops.
It is normal to send money to our enemies if you’re code pink.
It is normal to shut down drilling for oil, prevent refineries and power plants from being built.
It is normal to control private property.
It is normal for men to marry men—as in exchanging vows pretending to be a couple—somehow equates to centuries of ceremony for purpose, for commitment.
It is normal to hate conservatives and all things conservative.
It is normal to not be responsible for ones own actions and behavior.
It is normal to eliminate competition in school and youth sports.
It is normal to revise history.
It is normal to bitch and whine about everything going wrong in ones life while not doing a damn thing about it, doing nothing productive or of value.
It is normal to use tax dollars to fund abortions, doctor’s visits and prescription medications for any and all ailments or perceived ailments anyone and everyone has—with no need to pay or ever think about paying it back.
It is normal to blame mankind—particularly exploitive Americans for causing global warming—even if that is “no way” true.
It is normal to dodge the draft during war—and in one case—become the President of the United States.
It is normal for our politicians to accept monies from any source and return special favors and never be held accountable for the payoff, the kick-backs—not even for the selling of our national security. It is more important to convict a man for forgetting about a conversation with one reporter out of a hundred. It is more important to convict border control agents for shooting the butt of a drug dealer. Damn.
It is normal to treat other religions with deference and respect—even special accommodations for training and prayer in particular—for Islam—in the same public schools where a student who wears a cross around her neck can get her suspended.
It is normal to expect the judiciary to rule the flavor of the day, the politically correct way mandated by the masters mentioned above rather than in constitutional law.
It is normal to be abnormal but call it being normal—and making sure to publicize your abnormality as much as you can.

It is normal for the vile, hate-filled left—the America-hating, profanity saturated, dwellers in self induced importance, socialists whose true aim is to take from you and me and give to those who don’t give, sometimes ever, and chooses to avoid work and responsibility—for those who worship their ideal of an authoritarian based government dictating every part of life, for the people who kill babies but hate capital punishment for murderers—to be put in the place of all stupid people—away from any serious public debate or discussion. It would be normal to laugh at them if they weren’t so serious about affecting our country, if they weren’t the ones teaching our children—if they weren’t the ones elected to congress and as the Speaker of the House—it is normal to retire them once and for all time back to wherever they came from—as long as it is out of our hearing range.
To those mindless sheep on the left, it is normal to see other countries as superior regardless of their unemployment, inflation, tax rates and lack of population growth as people flee such loony socialist utopias, escaping oppression, imprisonment or early death—to our country. Who wouldn’t like to live in the sub-tropic Eden of Cuba?
For many, being misguided to vote for democrats (socialists) is easy—what do you want? They vote who they are told to vote for by their masters—the race baiters, socialists in hiding and so-called progressives whose numbers are comprised of God hating, Satan inspired seculars who make a living working on eliminating any semblance of decency in our society—and force all to accept anything. Some want to eliminate goodness because they are seeking justification for their particular perversions. How sweet, inclusive and multi-cultural that is unless you’re a conservative Christian. You don’t count.
That’s what the left is—a bottomless swamp of bad ideas being forced on all of us. It’s not “live and let live.” It’s live and believe as we say, accept what we say to accept, shut up and pay us for our sorry existence, our misery, our immorality. Its screw you, America. And let’s hide the flag and call it avoiding one’s appearance of supporting jingoism.
Screw them. It’s time to do the right thing. As soon as we can, we have to do the right thing. I hope and pray there’s a chance.


41 posted on 07/22/2007 2:29:31 AM PDT by BamaAndy (Heart & Iron; ISBN 1-4137-5397-3.)
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To: pctech
I understand your desire to respond, but you cannot reason with a fanatic.

I like the saying: "Never wrestle with a pig in the mud, you just get dirty and the pig enjoys it."

Truthfully, I'd have to respond myself. I go to other forums where the outright stupidity of liberalism almost hurts to read. You feel compelled to respond at the blatant, outright and downright "proud" stupidity.

The problem for the majority of them, is that they require a "spiritual awakening" in order to reassess their priorities. They won't do that until something happens that shakes them down to the very core of their humanity and shatters all of their fallacies.

You can't really do that with a clever post.

"Come on in! The mud's fine..."

42 posted on 07/22/2007 2:51:15 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Yardstick

Then, again, you could direct them to jveritas’ home page:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~jveritas/


43 posted on 07/22/2007 3:04:05 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: pctech

If the electorate were mad at congress because they are not holding Bush accountable, then Bush’s ratings would be lower than congresses.


44 posted on 07/22/2007 3:08:30 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: pctech

bookmark


45 posted on 07/22/2007 3:38:41 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: pctech
I lived in or near a big east coast city all my life. Whenever I get in "debates" with liberals I always ask them why the most dysfunctional areas in the country are those controlled by liberal democrats. That usually shuts them up.

. When they finally try to think of something to say I then follow up with 3 words:
"What's your solution?".

I have a field day attacking all the failed liberal policies of the last 40 years. The whole liberal/left wing mind set today consists of criticizing conservative policies. LIBERALS HAVE NO SOLUTIONS. For example; I always ask if they support the UN as a peace keeping force. When they inevitably say yes I call them a chicken hawk because they will not go and join the UN. It all is a matter of how much energy you want to waste with idiots who can not understand basic logic.
46 posted on 07/22/2007 3:53:51 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: pctech
We, as a people and a country, would NOT BE IN THIS FRICKIN' MESS if it wasn't for the idiot in the White House.

This video should be aired on every station in the country every time someone in the media or some Democrat says, "Bush Lied". THIS IS AWESOME !!

http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv
47 posted on 07/22/2007 4:02:32 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: irishtenor
This video should be aired on every station in the country every time someone in the media or some Democrat says, "Bush Lied". THIS IS AWESOME !!

http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv
48 posted on 07/22/2007 4:08:55 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: pctech; backhoe
I use to have a link to a website that had quotes listed about WMDs in Iraq. I would throw out several, every time and ask the “Bush lied” poster if the Democrap was lying too. Too bad I don’t have the link anymore.

( Any FR link BH?)

49 posted on 07/22/2007 4:19:49 AM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: sausageseller
Here are the quotes on Glenn Beck's page;;

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml

I also posted a video on another post. It is a little more powerful because you can see how serious the dems look when they are talking about what a threat Hussein was..
50 posted on 07/22/2007 4:30:23 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Yea! The pre Bush ones are killer!

Takes away their "Bush manufactured" idiocy.

51 posted on 07/22/2007 4:41:25 AM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: pctech

Every time I have had to listen to a Liberal spout off on any topic, I ask if his/her mother sued the delivery doctor for damaging them at birth with the misuse of those forceps.


52 posted on 07/22/2007 4:44:34 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: Bryan

A sidenote regarding intelligence gathering and input to the NIE —

Valerie Plame Wilson may be an accurate example of the level of skill of “intelligence gatherers” in the 1990s.


53 posted on 07/22/2007 5:11:06 AM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: pctech
I am a subscriber to a sports website in Chicago.

I am ashamed of what has been done in our name and I find it is past the time when the House should move on Impeachment Hearings against Bush and Cheney. .....

Time to Impeach Bush & Cheney.

I'm sorry, but I'd find another sports website that discusses sports, not politics. Someone has an agenda and dislikes all Republicans, not just the administration.

A saying to reply to this idiot goes something like this:

Never argue with a fool. People observing the argument may not know which one is the real fool.

54 posted on 07/22/2007 5:13:18 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Stop the invasion. Secure the borders now.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

That seems to be the consensus here. I guess I never really realized who and what I was arguing with. And you’re right, there is just no debating a liberal out of Chicago, they just don’t have a reasonable bone in their body. Thanks for the advice.


55 posted on 07/22/2007 6:56:16 AM PDT by pctech
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To: tsowellfan

Very nice video, I got in bookmarked now. Thank you.


56 posted on 07/22/2007 7:01:56 AM PDT by pctech
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To: operation clinton cleanup

They have many forums and one of them is called “The Bleachers” were anything but sports is discussed. Unfortunately it’s probably the most heavily used and very anti-GOP and Bush. I should have realized coming out of Chicago it was going to be very liberal. Heck, I even got banned once because of my conservative religious views.


57 posted on 07/22/2007 7:04:03 AM PDT by pctech
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To: pctech

Don’t waste your time with this loon. I work with one so-called engineer who turns every discussion into either Bush-bashing or “eeeevilll corporation” bashing. How he keeps his job I don’t know. Oh yes, I do know! This is Minnesota, and he’s a moonbat liberal.


58 posted on 07/22/2007 7:09:12 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Bernard
Nah, I'm a Cubs fan, I don't like the White Sux.

I'm also a Bears fan all the way!

59 posted on 07/22/2007 7:10:16 AM PDT by pctech
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To: pctech
they turn it around and blame it on the GOP (to which some it does rightfully belong).

I'd start with the areas where you agree...then address those where you disagree.

Noting the areas of agreement builds a bond, and it makes you appear reasonable, and also helps both of you analyze the issues rather than just breaking it all down to a "my side can beat up your side" sort of thing.

60 posted on 07/22/2007 7:11:55 AM PDT by Amelia (Never argue with idiots - they'll bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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