Posted on 07/16/2007 12:47:13 AM PDT by AliVeritas
PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) - Militants in northwest Pakistan disavowed a peace pact with the government and launched two days of suicide attacks and bombings that killed at least 70 people, dramatically escalating the violence in the al-Qaida infiltrated region.
The attacks Sunday and Saturday followed strident calls by extremists to avenge the government's bloody storming of Islamabad's Red Mosque and a declaration of jihad, or holy war, by at least one pro-Taliban cleric.
Termination of the peace treaty, the hopeful handiwork of President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, puts even greater pressure on the military leader as he struggles with both Islamic extremists and a gathering pro-democracy movement.
There is concern in Pakistan that the gathering sense of crisis could prompt Musharraf to cancel elections later this year and declare a state of emergency - despite his repeated denials.
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Well I’m glad to know that Pakistan doesn’t consider al Quada to be a threat.
Libs are right - ignore the problem and it will just go away. :D
(/sarcasm)
Grant the terrorists protection and the snake comes back to bite.
Of course this was done to spread the message of infinite love and grace of their moon god.
You'd think if their followers would look back on history, even for 1 second, and considered where their "faith" has gotten them, they might ask some questions?
I mean, most faith promote the betterment of mankind as a whole, Christianity has the "indecency" of actually delivering towards that end with the ascendancy of Western civilization. Yet all Islam has to show for their efforts is a sea of blood extending back some 2,000 years, with a brief holiday sometime within the dark ages.
At some point, one of their followers is going to have to stand up and ask "Where's the beef?"
Does anyone think that one would hesitate to protect themselves by isolating a group of people, even when one may be good, because amongst the group, there are many who would willingly commit suicide if they could take out enough of their enemy?
And how does that situation appear when you can't really tell who's good and who's not, because that group of people believe it's OK, by their own religion, to lie openly?
I don't believe that another group of people can peacefully coexist with Islamicists. There needs to be sweeping cultural changes that occur within Islam itself before it can be acclimated to thrive within modern civilization. Until then, areas that host Islamicists will be subject to building a bridge to the 14th century, and all the barbarism that implies.
Islam cannot coexist with itself. The Jihad is against other Muslims. One day someone may wake up and realize that Islam and life are incompatible.
Yet to be seen whether he has the stamina to finish and if he cant keep his troops from deserting.
They can peacefully coexist - look at where I stay in Malaysia and Singapore.
A better way of saying this is that they cannot coexist under a "liberal Western-style democracy"
"In the years ahead, as the world tries desperately to cope with population increases, demographic imbalances, unemployment, and both external and internal threats from quasi-fascist movements such as Islamic fundamentalism it will be social order and stability that will become of paramount importance to many people, much more so than liberty or freedom. Having already placed their lives in the omnipotent hands of the State, is it really such a leap of logic for one to foresee that individuals in the near future will think nothing of sacrificing freedom for security?
Not unlike the countries in Southeast Asia, America and the West will seriously have to consider implementing further authoritative measures within our own societies in the near future to deal with the revanche of Islamic fundamentalism should we fail to address the political aspirations and aspects of Islam now."
Absolutely true, but not exclusively true. While it is terror against other Muslims, it is also terror against Israel and the west. Pakistan has nuclear weapons, if the terrorist filth prevail against Musharref, they get those weapons. They already have conventional capability to wipe out most of their brethern, they need the nukes to kill the rest of us. Pakistan probably doesn't have enough nukes for that conclusion, but they have enough to get started. There are muslim terrorist filth that can fly airplanes available in Saudi, Iran, and elsewhere.
If you are implying that the someone who may wake up someday are so called peaceful muslims, they have had plenty of reason to wake up already. They are still asleep.
They can peacefully coexist - look at where I stay in Malaysia and Singapore.
Most of the time I agree with you except on this one.
It's pretty common knowledge "in these here parts" (and it doesn't take much Googling) that Hindu temples have been systematically destroyed in Malaysia over the last years; e.g. http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002227.html. And Christians haven't had such a good go of it either.
And when somebody implied that the poor downtrodden Bhumis (/sarc) had close to 50% of the nation's capital instead of the government-cited 20% or so (subsidizing the Bhumis is at the expense of other ethnic groups), he had to resign his post or at least detract his paper.
And I've seen nice gals get rounded up in Bangsar district by the religious police (a legal entity separate from the government) for wearing skirts that fall at knee level. That's nice peaceful coexistence (/sarc)
And Singapore is a very special case. It's small - 4.5 million, easy to manage, on an island, very prosperous, and the race riots of the early 60s are still fresh in many people's minds and will not be allowed to happen. If you are Muslim (or Tamil or Chinese or Western), you'd better get along OR ELSE. One can get jailed for "outraging one's modesty" and they can through away the key for a couple of years without the person even seeing the light of day. The government busted the JI there in a New York second.
Look near where I stay in southern Thailand. It's a complete mess. School teachers now are being issued bullet-proof vests.
Is it wrong to demolish the temples? Depends how you look at it - from a perspective of tempering ethnic chauvinism and preventing the establishment of ethnic enclaves then from the government's view it is in fact justified. And this is what I have mentioned in the past - authoritative style measures meant to ensure racial stability.
Mark my words when I say it that America will in the future have to adopt the same type of policy to prevent racial violence in the future - look at France, Sweden and Denmark - there are large parts of the cities and in some cases entire cities that are completely off-limits to others. America is looking at the same type of future -
If you have lived in Singapore then you are well aware of Singapore's ethnic integration policy - what do you think of it? You agree that the Singapore government's policy that they can deny the sale of house where you want to live based on your race?
Malaysia gets much attention on this issue because the temples are a "place of worship" - supposedly an untouchable in a Western-style democracy.
Internment.
LLS
If that is true...if we are to abandon the principals that this nation was founded on, shredding the Constitution in the process, then we have lost to the enemy anyway...in fact we will have joined them in our destruction. Even isolationism and completely stopping immigration of Muslims to this country is preferable to that. No, an authoritarian police state is NOT the answer. I grew up through the Cuban missle crisis and the cold war. We managed to survive those threats without what you suggest is needed for a far less well armed enemy.
Yep that pretty much sums up what I have been ranting about on my blog and on FR for the last few years.
In the beginning, I was excited, I had something to contribute to the national debate - before long though I would suffer from the curse of Cassandra.
I've got now close to 10,000 posts here on FR and I would say that a good 30-40% are on the dangers of diversity, multiculturalism and the myth of muslim integration
I know...and I really appreciate your participation here. Your posts remind me of how debate was conducted here at one time. Your perspective is always welcome and your posts are always interesting.
“Mark my words when I say it that America will in the future have to adopt the same type of policy to prevent racial violence in the future - look at France, Sweden and Denmark - there are large parts of the cities and in some cases entire cities that are completely off-limits to others. America is looking at the same type of future -”
That is already happening Expat, look at Bush and the ‘religion of peace’ cowtowing too numerous to mention here. How about the St. Louis airport going to build foot washing bathins to suit Muslim hygiene? That will be wonderfully hygienic for the rest of the travelers I am sure.
What we need is to stop the double standard of eliminating Christian-Judeo symbols from our society and replacing them with Islamic ones. Failure to do this will become like our other double standard, immigration with the population formenting another civil war with conservatives on the right and liberals on the left.
Appeasement only works for short periods of time as is demonstrated again and again throughout history against an murderous, evil philosophy. Despite islamic appease with Denmark and France (don’t know much about Sweden) they got more violence. Any whisper from the government on stopping more outrageous demands of setting up their own islamic state within a state is met with more violence and we are only seeing the tip of the iceburg over there. So Bush probably has bought him/us some short term reprieve from muslims joining jihad en masse but the result will be very bad in the end. Watch what happens when we have a nuclear/chemical WMD attack in one of our major cities. I don’t think the rest of the ‘religion of peace’ population here in the States will be treated so kindly any longer.
Israel tried appeasement for almost two decades and the death toll rose on both sides. When and only when, Mecca and Medina are vaporized by either the US or Israel will these madmen feel their ideology is beyond flawed. I don’t advocate nuking these areas but I feel it will come to that one way or the other.
Bumping for later comment - i need sleep
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