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Camelot and the Cultural Revolution (American liberals took leave of reason after JFK's murder)
Opinion Journal ^ | 7/12/2007 | Fred Siegel

Posted on 07/12/2007 9:37:39 AM PDT by mojito

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Will the left in this country come to its senses? Boy, that's a tough one. How about "NO" for an answer?
1 posted on 07/12/2007 9:37:41 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

If John F. Kennedy was around today he’d be somewhat to the right of Giuliani and McCain.


2 posted on 07/12/2007 9:42:50 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: mojito

‘Inherit The Wind’ was written in the early 1950s and intended as an allegory of McCarthyism as such it takes brazen liberties with the actual events of the 1925 trial.


3 posted on 07/12/2007 9:43:07 AM PDT by Borges
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To: mojito

Most of the Liberals I know look to JFK and FDR as icons of the Liberal movement. But JFK died 44 years ago and FDR goes back 60 years. They need to get over it and get on with their lives, constructing the future, not reliving the past.

But they won’t...


4 posted on 07/12/2007 9:49:07 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: Borges
Check this:

Inherit the Wind: an historical analysis

Inherit the Wind—which starred Oscar winners Jack Lemmon and the late George C. Scott—is the fictionalized account of the famous Scopes ‘monkey trial’ of Dayton, Tennessee. But almost all of the scientific evidence brought forward during the time of the trial has been discarded.

There was another very disturbing thing about Inherit the Wind. It caricatured Christians as self-righteous, intolerant and mean-spirited. The two leading Christian characters in the film rant like lunatics much of the time.

The film did get one thing right. It is indeed a ‘crime’ (to use their word) to censor an opposing view in the classroom. This lesson has been lost on secular humanists today who attempt to censor any evidence contrary to their dogmatic belief in evolution.

For Christians, the lesson to be learned is that we must be able to give answers for our faith. After all, Christianity is a logical, defensible faith.

5 posted on 07/12/2007 9:49:42 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: JimRed
..cut taxes raise Federal Revenue!

A real American military hero! Hand Salute!

Loyal! Would not have left Viet Nam to the Commies. Why. He had a degree in History and understood the long term effects of policy, (more than just the next election cycle!)

Way to the right of Guiliani and McCain! My kinda Guy!

6 posted on 07/12/2007 9:49:58 AM PDT by Young Werther ( and Julius Ceasar said, "quae cum ita sunt." (or since these things are so!))
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To: mojito
In the minds of liberals, then, Kennedy's killer should have been a right-wing fanatic.

In spite of the left's love of "Inherit the Wind", they will never accept the scientific method for one simple reason. Science is blind to ideology -- fact based. Hard Left ideologues will never accept reasoning where they cannot control the outcome.

I fully expect text books to eventually blame JFK's death on conservatives just as they discount Reagan when discussing the fall of the Soviet Union. Their irrationality when viewing history is a major reason why Putin is able to quietly reconstruct Soviet Russia.

7 posted on 07/12/2007 9:49:59 AM PDT by JimSEA
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“against the Bible-thumping antievolutionist William Jennings Bryan.”

He was an eternal “also ran” Democrat candidate. Much like Al Gore Junior, it was his final issue to gain the public spotlight.


8 posted on 07/12/2007 9:51:35 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: mojito
The US has a long history of factionalism, and party strife. You can look to the 19th century for some real slapdown fights and mud-slinging. The 20th century has not really been different.

What has changed, I think, is that one party has become dominated by emotionally immature people who do not think clearly on major issues. People say Leftism is a mental illness, and I think that is true.

In the 1960's, there were certain Liberals (JFK, RFK, MLK, and Hubert Humphrey come to mind) and things weren't too crazy. But then JFK, RFK and MLK got killed. I think at that point the American Left gave up on Liberalism and walked away from the survivors like Hubert Humphrey. Instead, we got the Black Panthers, Weather Underground, and Hillary Clinton. Ever since, the Democrats have been dominated by people who don't have their head screwed on srtraight.

They hate this country because their dreams of Liberalism was taken away from them in their youth. Ever since, they have hated this country and sought to bring it down, and they indoctrinate the young in similar thinking. Howard Dean is crazy, Nancy Pelosi is crazy, all the Dems are.

9 posted on 07/12/2007 9:53:51 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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To: Borges

The Crucible was also an allegory for “the Red Scare” although it predates McCarthyism (Miller saw other such “abuses” before Sen. McCarthy came on the scene).

Now you could restage The Crucible to investigate the issue of Nifongism.


10 posted on 07/12/2007 9:54:26 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You had a Communist sympathizer who visited the Soviet gulags and did not speak out as VP for FDR.

Liberalism did not change with the death of JFK. Socialists felt victorious after they hounded McCarthy. The KGB files showed that the “Red Scare” wasn’t a lie.

Meanwhile we have a Global Warming Scare today and Democrats like RFK Jr. calling anyone who denies it a “traitor” and says that we should be tried for “treason” to the United States.


11 posted on 07/12/2007 9:57:46 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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Bryan was a Christian Socialist and the architect of 20th century liberal economic policy. His ‘Cross of Gold’ speech at the 1896 Democratic National Convention was the keynote. He was a big influence on Woodrow Wilson and FDR.


12 posted on 07/12/2007 10:03:22 AM PDT by Borges
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Liberalism did not change with the death of JFK.

A lot of far-left extremists have been in the Democrat Party for a long time, I agree. But I think that the rank-and-file voters did not knowingly give leadership positions to far-left extremists until the 1960's.

I think that Moscow, after WWII, tried to sway the US political system. McCarthy and Nixon helped slow that down in the 1950's. But I think the assassination of so many Liberal heroes in the 1960's, combined with behind-the-scene help from Russia and China, finally succeeded in changing the nature of the Democrats into a party where you have to be crazy to adhere to their view of the world.

13 posted on 07/12/2007 10:06:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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To: mojito
This is a great article. Wish it were longer!

Guess I'll have to keep an eye peeled for the book.

14 posted on 07/12/2007 10:07:18 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ("Ve`attah, hirgu khol-zakhar bataf; vekhol-'ishah yoda`at 'ish lemishkav zakhar harogu!")
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To: LiteKeeper

I read that the real Scopes Monkey Trial was itself a put-on with every player having a script and the verdict foreknown. It was stictly a media event, not a real trial in any sense. If true,how many out there know that?


15 posted on 07/12/2007 10:13:04 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Inwoodian

The whole trial was a setup deal by the ACLU (yes, even back then they were stirring the pot). The defendant never taught evolution, and the whole movie was bogus. In fact, the producers admitted that the whole movie was phony, designed to attack Christians. They knew they weren’t telling the truth!


16 posted on 07/12/2007 10:16:54 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: mojito

“It’s not reason that is at the heart of modern-day liberalism but rather the claim to superior virtue and, even more important, to a special knowledge unavailable to the unwashed or unenlightened”

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That is absolutely spot-on!!


17 posted on 07/12/2007 10:16:56 AM PDT by Vinny (What is a liberal? Someone that is a friend of every country but his own.)
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To: Inwoodian

Like the OJ case?


18 posted on 07/12/2007 10:17:50 AM PDT by Vinny (What is a liberal? Someone that is a friend of every country but his own.)
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To: Inwoodian
If true,how many out there know that?

The exact same number as if it is untrue.

< };^)

19 posted on 07/12/2007 10:18:46 AM PDT by Erasmus (My simplifying explanation had the disconcerting side effect of making the subject incomprehensible.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Bryan pointed out that the evolution textbook in the case advanced ‘social darwinism’ and “ideas” about differences in the races which could lead to genocide.

He chided Darrow (and read directly from Darrow’s own statements in the Leopold and Loeb case) about how students were influenced by what they were taught, and how therefore how what ‘ideas’ they were taught could be dangerous.

A dozen years later, with Hitler in power, Bryan was proved right.

In the Scopes case, Bryan agreed to take the stand only if Darrow also took the stand to defend evolution. After Bryan was questioned, Darrow then broke the agreement and refused to let himself be questioned. Bryan, however, had taken pains to appear calm and reasonable and conducted himself in almost exactly the opposite manner as portrayed in the play/film.

Bryan wasn’t perfect but he deserves to be remembered as more than the buffoon character he is made out to be.


20 posted on 07/12/2007 10:19:37 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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