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"Truth be told" about Chimp-Human DNA comparisons (1% difference a "myth")
Access Research Network ^ | July 2, 2007 | David Tyler

Posted on 07/10/2007 10:17:24 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

"Truth be told" about Chimp-Human DNA comparisons

07/02/07

by David Tyler

"Truth be told" about Chimp-Human DNA comparisons For over 30 years, the public have been led to believe that human and chimpanzee genetics differ by mere 1%. This 'fact' of science has been used on innumerable occasions to silence anyone who offered the thought that humans are special among the animal kingdom. "Today we take as a given that the two species are genetically 99% the same." However, this "given" is about to be discarded....

(Excerpt) Read more at arn.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: chimphumandna; creationscience; crevo; darwin; dna; intelligentdesign
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To: Vaquero
...Forbidden Planet! classic.
121 posted on 07/10/2007 3:06:11 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass ( just b/c, you suffer from paranoia, doesn't mean they're not out to get you....Run, Fred, Run :^)
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To: 1000 silverlings

The fault that causes guinea pigs to be unable to produce vitamin C is different than the human/great ape fault.


122 posted on 07/10/2007 3:13:25 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: doc30
Best example of glorified, self imposed ignorance I've ever seen. Bet you think yur purdy smart with your skool edumication, too.

How is does attitude differ, that of a Lib Dim, concerning the electorate?

123 posted on 07/10/2007 3:38:55 PM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: doc30
Ooops!!

How is does this attitude differ, that of a Lib Dim, concerning the electorate?

124 posted on 07/10/2007 3:57:27 PM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: metmom; GodGunsGuts
Fraud is serious business. Do you know who it is you're accusing, and on what evidence? Do you care?

Man, it got quiet.

125 posted on 07/10/2007 4:42:13 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: scottdeus12

No...check any taxonomy reference.


126 posted on 07/10/2007 4:54:20 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: webstersII
“Then why do great apes and man share the exact same genetic defect that makes it impossible for us to make our own vitamin C?”

Correlation and commonality are not the same as causation.

But in plagarism cases, identical errors are taken as evidence of a common origin.

127 posted on 07/10/2007 6:16:54 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: scottdeus12
“Man (Homo sapiens) is a primate.”

You are referring to, “Planet of the Apes”....right?

Spoiler: The Earth is the Planet of the Apes.

128 posted on 07/10/2007 6:22:38 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!)
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To: SengirV
And now that it’s 6%, does it really make all that much of a difference?

It may make a very large difference. There are separate fields of science which must be in agreement as to a time line for natural selection to be convincing for the origin of particular species. These are different fields such as the geologic record, the fossil record, and genetics.

When comparing two species and trying to look backwards in time to when they "split" from a common ancestor, scientists can compare the DNA and find how many genes are different between the two species. There are models of how fast genetic mutations can be propagated through a population, given factors such as population size and the lifespan of the individuals. With these, we can backtrack to estimate when these two species had a common ancestor.

By increasing the number of differences, natural selection proponents must also have to increase the amount of time required to propagate those changes. I would guess that previously, scientists probably would have claimed to the public that the fossil record and the DNA record were in agreement for chimps and humans. By increasing the number of differences by 600%, is that still a true statement? Has there been enough time in the fossil record to account for this? What now is the estimated date these two species had a common ancestor? Is it millions of years ago? Is it hundreds of millions? Did apes even exist in the fossil record back then?

This is the same reason why the recent new findings of "junk DNA" are important. The claim of junk DNA can be misused by scientists as a fudge factor if all the sciences do not agree on a time scale. Recent findings have been chipping away at what can be considered junk, and added to the pile of what must be accounted for in the other sciences. All the recent genetic findings that I have seen published have increased the amount of time required by natural selection.

129 posted on 07/10/2007 6:43:27 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SMARTY
In my whole life, I have never needed a scientist or anyone else to tell me that I am NOT a g*& damn monkey.

Good for you, figuring it out without being told.

Anyone who thinks they are even remotely like monkeys, is an idiot.

Damn straight.

Physiology is a stupid old science anyway.

Bully for you!

130 posted on 07/10/2007 6:49:00 PM PDT by humblegunner (Word up!)
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To: SMARTY

“In my whole life, I have never needed a scientist or anyone else to tell me that I am NOT a g*& damn monkey.”

Somewhat of a non-sequitor, given that Chimps are not monkies either.

Thus your assertion of not being a monkey, god-damn or otherwise has little or no bearing whatsoever on the relationship between Humans and Chimps.

For what it is worth I daresay you are not a Fish, Chicken or wildebeast either.


131 posted on 07/10/2007 7:37:22 PM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: GodGunsGuts

“... atheocracy.”

Nice.

Did you come up with that?


132 posted on 07/10/2007 9:09:36 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: metmom; GodGunsGuts
Thank you so much for your inquiry!

Can this little fiasco then put put into the fraud category the next time evos ask us for examples?

The quote GodGunsGuts selected seems "fair game" to me:

“For many, many years, the 1% difference served us well because it was underappreciated how similar we were,” says Pascal Gagneux, a zoologist at UC San Diego. “Now it’s totally clear that it’s more a hindrance for understanding than a help.”

Though I would call it "spinning" instead of "fraud" to reserve the particularly harsh pejorative for things like fabricating a fossil.

133 posted on 07/10/2007 9:20:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Oztrich Boy; webstersII

That’s nice. But in the case of plagarism, the whole thing is identical.

Remember: Correlation and commonality are not the same as causation.

You guys preach it at the creationists/IDers all the time. It goes both ways.


134 posted on 07/10/2007 9:23:31 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic; Alamo-Girl; GodGunsGuts

See posts 20, 33, 37, and 95.

If you had been following the thread and reading it, you would have seen what I was referring to.


135 posted on 07/10/2007 9:24:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

I’m so glad you enjoyed it!


136 posted on 07/10/2007 9:25:32 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>>>”Today we take as a given that the two species are genetically 99% the same.” However, this “given” is about to be discarded....

I don’t know. I have a few exboyfriends that provides support of this 99% theory.


137 posted on 07/10/2007 9:28:15 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Alamo-Girl

You mean like archeoraptor and Piltdown man?

Anyway, I would have figured that his admitting that they deliberately lied would qualify it as fraud. There was intent to deceive; they fabricated data.

But maybe that’s just me.


138 posted on 07/10/2007 9:32:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

And what of Piltdown man?


139 posted on 07/10/2007 9:58:08 PM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: Dave Elias

It was a fraud.


140 posted on 07/10/2007 10:03:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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