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Bush pressed to pardon border agents (Duncan Hunter & Dana Rohrbacher)
Wash. Times ^ | 7/3/07 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 07/05/2007 12:56:42 PM PDT by pissant

Two California congressmen, one of whom introduced legislation this year calling for a congressional pardon for two U.S. Border Patrol agents, say that if President Bush can commute the sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, he can order pardons for the agents.

"If the president of the United States is going to commute the sentence of Scooter Libby, he should immediately accompany that with a pardon for Border Patrol agents Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos," said Rep. Duncan Hunter, California Republican and 2008 presidential candidate.

"If Scooter Libby is going to receive this treatment, and there very well could be a compelling reason for the president's actions, agents Compean and Ramos should then be provided a full pardon," said Mr. Hunter, whose bill has 100 co-sponsors. "Mr. President, pardon our Border Patrolmen."

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican, said Libby was convicted of obstructing the investigation of a crime, "yet no one has been charged with a crime" in the case. However, Mr. Rohrabacher said, while Mr. Bush rightly showed mercy to Libby, he "does not seem to have the same mercy for the average men and women holding the front lines of our borders.

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TOPICS: Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; compean; congress; duncanhunter; immigrantlist; ramos
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To: Dr.Syn

I have always loved both Rohrabacher and Hunter. The fact that they HAVE to petition the “President” is telling; it SHOULDN’T BE NECESSARY, and even if Bush pardons the agents it NOW looks like it will be from “pressure” and not his own initiative. This is a “leader” who leaves a lot to be desired, to put it mildly.


121 posted on 07/06/2007 8:21:00 AM PDT by supremedoctrine (The only thing sourdough bread is good for is a grilled cheese sandwich.For that, it's essential.)
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To: wideawake

And that “reporter” was Chipmunk Cheeks Russert.

Why the jury believed him over Libby is probably a case of name recognition.


122 posted on 07/06/2007 8:26:32 AM PDT by sauropod (Driving 100 mph in a Pious with the sunroof open)
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To: wideawake
If they hadn't worked so hard to destroy and conceal evidence, I would agree. But they did.

Worked so hard? They picked up some shell casings and didn't file a report. I'm sure that is SOP unless there is a body they have to carry to the morgue. In this case they had no idea they had hit the serial drug smuggler and given him an extra asshole until they were questioned by people who, IMO, had an agenda of their own.

At a border crossing, for example - where carrying an unlicensed firearm would be an obvious tipoff.

An unlicensed firearm? Does a firearm have to be "unlicensed" before it can be used to gun down a border patrol agent? And who "licenses" firearms?

You seem to have your own agenda in this matter. You don't seem to be able to understand that the only crime committed in this matter was felony drug smuggling, and our government traded a get out of jail free card to the smuggler in exchange for his perjured testimony against two highly decorated and honorable government servants.

123 posted on 07/06/2007 8:42:13 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: pissant
Has there ever been a response from the White House as to WHY the border agents haven’t been pardoned?

Duncan Hunter Bump!

124 posted on 07/06/2007 8:43:31 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: mnehrling

I’ve wondered that too.

Bump


125 posted on 07/06/2007 8:49:28 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Check another post here, there are links to the court transcripts and statements by the DA. It seems the knee real information on this issue may not be as accurate as would justify the knee jerk reactions. I can understand now, after reading the court briefs, why the president may not be so quick to pardon.
126 posted on 07/06/2007 8:57:07 AM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: P-Marlowe
Worked so hard? They picked up some shell casings and didn't file a report. I'm sure that is SOP unless there is a body they have to carry to the morgue.

Perhaps you can show me in the manual where this is SOP.

An unlicensed firearm? Does a firearm have to be "unlicensed" before it can be used to gun down a border patrol agent?

No, my point is that a Mexican national would not have a license to carry any firearm into the United States unless he had some fairly sophisticated diplomatic credentials - tehrefore a Mexican national with a firearm would be carrying an unlicensed firearm - which is immediate probable cause and a prosecutable offense in its own right, even if there had been no drugs.

127 posted on 07/06/2007 9:01:10 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: mnehrling

I have seen the court docs. I’m not a lawyer nor do I stay at Holiday Inns.

I don’t agree with their sentence. Have you seen an official statement from the White House?


128 posted on 07/06/2007 9:02:52 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: wideawake
Perhaps you can show me in the manual where this is SOP.

That is the point.

Ignoring the "manual" is by and large SOP. You don't normally go strictly by the "manual" unless you have reason to think that someone is going to see if you went by the manual.

In this case they shot at Davila, but they saw him jump into a truck and drive away. They had no reason to suspect that they had hit him, so it was just a routine screw-up. A typical SNAFU (situation normal - all screwed up). SNAFU's like that usually get swept under the rug. Technically (according to the "manual" SNAFU's are to be placed into a report, but who in their right mind is going to write a report saying that you screwed up unless you have reason to suspect that someone is going to be asking you about it later?

The fact is that it is SOP to ignore the "manual". Anyone who has ever been in the service can tell you that the "manual" is something they only consult when they think someone might ask them why they didn't follow it.

That, my friend, is SOP.

129 posted on 07/06/2007 9:12:41 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: massgopguy; wideawake
After he was given immunity to testify against the agents Davila was arrested again with 750 lbs of pot. Sutton killed this case as well.

Sutton actively suppressed evidence, and then lied about it during his media damage control offensive. He told Glenn Beck "The judge suppressed the evidence about the drug smuggler...I had nothing to do with it". What the little prick didn't reveal is that HE filed the motions to suppress that evidence to protect his criminal witness. At least 4 jurors said they would have voted to acquit Ramos and Campeos had they seen this evidence.

130 posted on 07/06/2007 9:19:52 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Calpernia

Last I heard he was going to look at it carefully. I do not know where that “look” stands right now.


131 posted on 07/06/2007 9:33:26 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant

Glad to hear that. Thank you.


132 posted on 07/06/2007 9:34:44 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: nicmarlo
Bush continues dragging his feet on this one because it’s simply something he doesn’t want to do. The two border patrol agents committed the cardinal offense of doing their jobs in repelling illegal aliens.
133 posted on 07/06/2007 11:37:41 AM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Czar
The two border patrol agents committed the cardinal offense of doing their jobs in repelling illegal aliens.

Yeah...how presumptuous of them.

134 posted on 07/06/2007 11:53:16 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Well put!


135 posted on 07/06/2007 12:18:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: nicmarlo; Calpernia

“The two border patrol agents committed the cardinal offense of doing their jobs in repelling illegal aliens.”

Anathema to the Bush administration!


136 posted on 07/06/2007 12:22:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Calpernia

bttt!


137 posted on 07/06/2007 1:52:12 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: devolve
"The scumbag "El Guesto" on Sean Hannity's show now is the crooked US Attorney Johnny Sutton"


Dang it!

I missed it. :o(

To President Bush I say, taking my cue from Nike...

Just Do It!

138 posted on 07/06/2007 9:13:18 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: PhilDragoo

Excellent, Phil!

Great call!

Sutton is a miserable little man.
I hope one day he finds himself in Ramos’ and Compean’s position.


139 posted on 07/06/2007 9:16:28 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: wideawake
Shooting unarmed suspects and filing false reports aren't in the job descriptions of any law enforcement agency I'm aware of.

You are using 20/20 hindsight to convict them. The agents don't know whether the criminal has a gun or not. Sometimes, criminals may pretend that they do. That's why the criminal should have stopped when the agents said halt.

140 posted on 07/07/2007 6:44:09 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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