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Bush pressed to pardon border agents (Duncan Hunter & Dana Rohrbacher)
Wash. Times ^ | 7/3/07 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 07/05/2007 12:56:42 PM PDT by pissant

Two California congressmen, one of whom introduced legislation this year calling for a congressional pardon for two U.S. Border Patrol agents, say that if President Bush can commute the sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, he can order pardons for the agents.

"If the president of the United States is going to commute the sentence of Scooter Libby, he should immediately accompany that with a pardon for Border Patrol agents Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos," said Rep. Duncan Hunter, California Republican and 2008 presidential candidate.

"If Scooter Libby is going to receive this treatment, and there very well could be a compelling reason for the president's actions, agents Compean and Ramos should then be provided a full pardon," said Mr. Hunter, whose bill has 100 co-sponsors. "Mr. President, pardon our Border Patrolmen."

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican, said Libby was convicted of obstructing the investigation of a crime, "yet no one has been charged with a crime" in the case. However, Mr. Rohrabacher said, while Mr. Bush rightly showed mercy to Libby, he "does not seem to have the same mercy for the average men and women holding the front lines of our borders.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; compean; congress; duncanhunter; immigrantlist; ramos
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To: nicmarlo
if President Bush can commute the sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, he can order pardons for the agents

Alfred E. Bush gets a reminder from me every day to FREE THE BORDER PATROL AGENTS!

101 posted on 07/05/2007 10:24:48 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: stephenjohnbanker

When it comes to Bush, true patriots must be vigilant.


102 posted on 07/06/2007 12:20:42 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (What would Beowulf do?)
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To: janetgreen

You’re a good woman, jg!


103 posted on 07/06/2007 3:55:06 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: wideawake
Many police officers have shot unarmed men and are given the benefit of the doubt because of the nature of their jobs. Ramos and Campeon said they thought the guy had a gun, maybe they reacted to harshly but I was not there and would have to take the word of the agents. The agents policed up the casings which is illegal, but I remember the Feds completely destroyed the crime scene at Waco before the Texas Rangers or arson investigators could even investigate the crime scene. Of course that was gov't covering up its own crimes, which seems to be ok these days.

The sentence of 11 years is so far out of line for injuring a fleeing suspect by a law enforcement officer this can only be an intimidation sentence aimed at keeping other agents from enforcing the law down there.

The punishment does not fit the crime for first offenders. A man could stab his wife 40 times in a fit of rage over an affair and not receive 11 years.

Libby did also commit a crime. He lied under oath to a grand jury. Now while I know he was set up as a fall guy so Fitzfong could be a big shot, to commute his sentence shows mercy and compassion for a good man on the part of Bush. Now he should show the same mercy for two good men who made a mistake. He should not hold the lives of these men so cheaply when he has the power to save them.

104 posted on 07/06/2007 4:10:42 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: jch10
they did not follow proper procedures after the shooting.

Hey that sounds like a good enough reason to throw law enforcement officers into general population of a federal prison for 11 years!

105 posted on 07/06/2007 4:19:18 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: pissant

Traitor Sutton needs to serve out their sentences.


106 posted on 07/06/2007 4:40:57 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: nativist

Not to me, it isn’t. But they should have been fired, not put on trial.


107 posted on 07/06/2007 5:58:58 AM PDT by jch10
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To: pissant

Speeding and shooting someone who is unarmed are offenses of differing severity.


108 posted on 07/06/2007 7:00:12 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: CindyDawg
A simple yes or no please :’)

Trick questions do not get simple answers.

109 posted on 07/06/2007 7:01:28 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38
Actually, lying under oath is a crime.

Libby didn't lie under oath, and there is no documented evidence which says that he did.

Basically, the jury believed that a reporter was telling the truth and that Libby wasn't - it was he said/he said and the jury picked one person's word over another's without any corroborating evidence.

110 posted on 07/06/2007 7:03:40 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: P-Marlowe
Your conclusion that he was unarmed is based solely upon the testimony of a serial drug smuggler

No, it's based on the fact that Ramos and Compean were somehow able to recover their own shell casings, but were unable to recover the weapon supposedly aimed at them.

111 posted on 07/06/2007 7:15:43 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: pissant

Please, dear G-d, help President Bush pardon these two men who were doing their job and never should have received jail terms for their slight misreport. Six children want their dear Papas back! Please!


112 posted on 07/06/2007 7:18:11 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: wideawake
No, it's based on the fact that Ramos and Compean were somehow able to recover their own shell casings, but were unable to recover the weapon supposedly aimed at them.

Leaving copper casings on the ground is an environmental hazard.

Recovering the gun that was aimed at them would have caused an international crisis, since the serial drug smuggler, Davila, took it with him across the border.

What does the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" mean to you?

113 posted on 07/06/2007 7:35:36 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: wideawake; abercrombie_guy_38
Basically, the jury believed that a reporter was telling the truth and that Libby wasn't - it was he said/he said and the jury picked one person's word over another's without any corroborating evidence.

Let's rephrase this, shall we?

Basically, the jury believed that a reporter serial drug smuggler was telling the truth and that Libby Ramos and Campion wasn't - it was he said/he said and the jury picked one person's word over another's without any corroborating evidence.

114 posted on 07/06/2007 7:43:52 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
Leaving copper casings on the ground is an environmental hazard.

It's amazing the twisted rationalizations people will stoop to when motivated by an agenda.

Recovering the gun that was aimed at them would have caused an international crisis, since the serial drug smuggler, Davila, took it with him across the border.

Oh, of course. A very convenient explanation.

What does the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" mean to you?

To me it means that when people deliberately hide evidence of what they did and file false reports about it, they are concealing criminal activity - not innocent activity.

115 posted on 07/06/2007 7:53:20 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: wideawake
To me it means that when people deliberately hide evidence of what they did and file false reports about it, they are concealing criminal activity - not innocent activity.

Was it "reasonable" for a drug smuggler carrying a half million dollars worth of drugs in a van coming across the border to do so without carrying a loaded firearm?

Would you believe a serial drug dealer who got on the stand (after being granted immunity for drug smuggling in exchange for his testimony and who was likely to get millions of dollars from a civil lawsuit if the border patrol agents were convicted) and testified that he was not carrying a weapon when he was smuggling 1/2 million dollars worth of marijuana across the border?

I know I wouldn't.

If a border patrol agent (who had a spotless record after more than a dozen years) testified that he "thought" he saw a gun, and a serial drug smuggler (who it was stated always carried a gun when smuggling) claimed that he didn't have a gun, I think that the only reasonable conclusion is that there is reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the officer. While I might not believe the officer, nevertheless, I could not convict him since, by virtue of pecuniary interest the victim had in the outcome of the case, and his prior and subsequent arrests for smuggling drugs, there was no question but that there was a reasonable doubt as to the officer's guilt.

The fact is that it is simply UNREASONABLE to believe that Davila did not have a weapon. He lied. There is no doubt about that.

116 posted on 07/06/2007 8:07:51 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: sauropod

read


117 posted on 07/06/2007 8:11:52 AM PDT by sauropod (Driving 100 mph in a Pious with the sunroof open)
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To: Post-Neolithic

Or Patrick Fitzfong.


118 posted on 07/06/2007 8:12:54 AM PDT by sauropod (Driving 100 mph in a Pious with the sunroof open)
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To: P-Marlowe
Was it "reasonable" for a drug smuggler carrying a half million dollars worth of drugs in a van coming across the border to do so without carrying a loaded firearm?

Under certain circumstances it would be eminently reasonable. At a border crossing, for example - where carrying an unlicensed firearm would be an obvious tipoff.

I think that the only reasonable conclusion is that there is reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the officer.

If they hadn't worked so hard to destroy and conceal evidence, I would agree. But they did.

119 posted on 07/06/2007 8:14:38 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: Xenalyte

Re: your tagline.

Git ‘er done!


120 posted on 07/06/2007 8:16:37 AM PDT by sauropod (Driving 100 mph in a Pious with the sunroof open)
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