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This Is Democracy....Upsetting the elite(Thomas Sowell)
NRO ^ | July 3, 2007 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 07/03/2007 6:26:18 AM PDT by IrishMike

With the White House, the leaders of both political parties, and the media all solidly behind the “comprehensive” immigration “reform” bill, how could it be stopped in the Senate, as it was last week? The people stopped it. That is what democracy is all about.

When members of Congress began to be deluged with angry letters, phone calls, and e-mails from their constituents, they knew the game was over — and that their careers could be over if they didn’t pay attention to what the voters were saying.

This bill was an insult to people’s intelligence from start to finish, and the elites are continuing to insult people’s intelligence after being defeated.

Fraudulent arguments were followed by fraudulent procedures to rush this bill through the Senate without committee hearings, with restrictions on debate, and with the specifics of this huge bill being sprung on the Senate at the 11th hour, so that senators would be voting on something they barely had time to read.

Among the fraudulent arguments was that illegal immigrants were taking “jobs that Americans won’t do.” What that really meant was that they were taking low wages that Americans wouldn’t take.

Another fraudulent argument was that “We can’t find and deport 12 million people.”

A much bigger problem than these 12 million people are the tens of millions of additional immigrants who are virtually certain to come in, legally or illegally, if amnesty is extended.

After all, there were only 3 million illegal immigrants the last time an amnesty bill was passed, back in 1986. That’s how we got to 12 million.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; border; congress; elections; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; noamnestyforillegals; senate; sowell; thomassowell; vampirebill
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To: Dick Bachert

I believe you missed my point. I have Never defended Pres. Bush’s immigration policies. Didn’t like them in 2000, don’t like them now.


21 posted on 07/03/2007 7:13:04 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: IrishMike
After all, there were only 3 million illegal immigrants the last time an amnesty bill was passed, back in 1986. That’s how we got to 12 million.

During that time Americans aborted 13 million.

22 posted on 07/03/2007 7:32:48 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: CDHart

I recall that as well and remember thinking to myself “These SOBs are obviously emboldened to the point where they can now come out and announce their intentions in public because — after decades of government school INDOCTRINATION — the public no longer gives a damn.”


23 posted on 07/03/2007 7:33:55 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Wor)
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To: Dick Bachert

“Still defending the indefensible Mr. Bush?”

Apparently, you either never backed the President or you’ve turned on him. Either way, not someone I have much time for. You can disagree with some of our President’s decisions (he made himself clear on his immigration stance before 2000, I understood that before I voted for him), but your attitude is no different than than the Rinos.
I don’t have to defend Pres. Bush. History will judge and I believe defend him.
Have a nice day


24 posted on 07/03/2007 7:47:44 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: cdcdawg
does anyone actually believe the “12 million” number? It has to be higher than that.

Its at least 8 million in Cali Aztlan alone. Not counting anchor baby human shields.

25 posted on 07/03/2007 7:50:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: IrishMike

This guy is one of our finest intellectuals, and he’ll never get credit for it in the egghead sets, because he’s a black conservative. He far outstrips the vast, vast majority of pundits in the mental candlepower department.


26 posted on 07/03/2007 8:12:13 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: nuconvert

Once again, this man has taken actions (more correctly, INACTIONS) which, if allowed to run their course, would CHANGE THIS COUNTRY FOR THE WORSE — FOREVER — by importing Mexico’s POVERTY along with the 12 to 20 million (PLUS the FOLLOW ON MILLIONS of relatives).

He could cure cancer tomorrow and I would never forgive him for his idiotic immigration stance as I don’t think I’d want to live a long, cancer-free life in the redesigned New World Order North America Union he and his elitist One-World pals seek to construct here.

Time was such national sovereignty destroying activities would produce charges of TREASON.

Sadly that they have not produced those charges does not augur well for my six grandchildren.

And if I have to choose between being in YOUR company or that of Thomas Sowell, I’ll take Dr. Sowell every time.


27 posted on 07/03/2007 8:15:53 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Wor)
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ping


28 posted on 07/03/2007 8:29:04 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Dick Bachert

Well said, Dick Bachert


29 posted on 07/03/2007 8:51:24 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: cdcdawg

I don’t. They’ve been using that number for about 6 years.


30 posted on 07/03/2007 8:55:57 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: Guenevere

TY.
And, FWIW, I’m leaning toward Hunter.


31 posted on 07/03/2007 9:13:12 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Wor)
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To: nuconvert; Dick Bachert; Travis McGee

>Apparently, you either never backed the President or you’ve turned on him.<

Would you please stand up, hold our flag next to you face, look in a mirror and see if the flags reflection is in your eyes. I expect it will but much dimmer than Dick Bachert’s or mine.

Bush’s eyes do not reflect our flag even slightly.

He is the man who chose to call American patriots vigilantes when they chose to stand up and defend our southern border.

He is the man who continues to push for giving China our trade when they broke the trade laws about using commercial airliners for military purposes.

He is the one who continues to refuse to protect our nation from this invasion of Muslim sleepers and foreign nationals.

He is the one who continues to push for the Law of the Seas Treaty which will enable the UN to become a self sufficient world wide organization thats only goal is to crush individual liberty. By the way, individual liberty is the foundation of freedom in America.

No Sir, neither Dick Bachert nor myself have turned on Bush. Bush has turned on America!


32 posted on 07/03/2007 10:21:47 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Check out this website for the National Veterans Coalition http://www.nvets.org/)
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To: Dick Bachert

“Bush obviously thinks securing IRAQ’S border from incursion by murderous thugs and protecting the decent IRAQI citizens from death is more important than securing AMERICAN borders and AMERICAN CITIZENS!”

Bush has been promoting illegal immigration for years.

Draw your own conclusions as to why!


33 posted on 07/03/2007 10:52:28 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: IrishMike
"This bill was an insult to people’s intelligence from start to finish, and the elites are continuing to insult people’s intelligence after being defeated."

The bill was an outright insult to those people who are American citizens. That bill would had very much cheapened my being a law abiding and respectful citizen of the USA.

34 posted on 07/03/2007 10:55:49 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Dixie Yooper
Good point... and I admit that isn't what I noticed. I must take issue with one statement by Dr. Sowell:

You can’t get a credit-card application approved in 24 hours.

Seems like one can get "instant credit" most anywhere nowadays!

35 posted on 07/03/2007 11:03:16 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: B4Ranch; Dick Bachert; Travis McGee

“No Sir, neither Dick Bachert nor myself have turned on Bush. Bush has turned on America!”

Refusing to protect the borders after 9/11 was it for me!


36 posted on 07/03/2007 11:22:43 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; B4Ranch
There are still bushbot automaton OBLs here? Wow, I’m a bit surprised.
37 posted on 07/03/2007 11:35:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: nuconvert
he made himself clear on his immigration stance before 2000, I understood that before I voted for him<>/i>

Me too. Considering our choices in the last two presidential elections, Bush was by far the best. I was willing to take my chances with his chance on immigration just to keep the other jerks out of the White House. I still shudder when I think of how close we came to having Gore as president.

38 posted on 07/03/2007 11:42:45 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: GraceCoolidge

The banking industry is willing to take a chance on many more than they used to with credit and credit cards. With the penalties they can hook anyone who gets behind with, they more than make up for the ones who skip out on them.


39 posted on 07/03/2007 11:46:20 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Travis McGee; B4Ranch

I think there are 10 or so OBL’s left. Most are low profile : )


40 posted on 07/03/2007 11:48:23 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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