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1 posted on 06/27/2007 10:57:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 06/27/2007 11:04:09 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
According to his novel yet controversial "chromosomal" theory of cancer, which is receiving increased attention among cancer researchers, each cancer is unique, and there is no magic bullet.

Like hell he invented that concept, or that it's remotely controversial.

4 posted on 06/27/2007 11:08:54 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: GodGunsGuts
I know it's fun and tempting to turn every article into an anti-evolutionary screed, but what the heck does this have to do with disproving Darwin? Certainly there's nothing to that effect in the text of the article...

I think you guys can do better.

5 posted on 06/27/2007 11:09:17 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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In this latest post at PhysOrg, it seems that Darwinism hasn’t helped, but instead hindered the fight against cancer.

Dr. Peter Duesberg, a molecular biologist at Berkeley,

“proposed in 2000 that the assumption underlying most cancer research today is wrong. That assumption, that cancer results from a handful of genetic mutations that drive a cell into uncontrolled growth, has failed to explain many aspects of cancer, he said, and has led researchers down the wrong path.”

And, in words that support Behe’s main thesis in “The Edge of Evolution”, Deusberg also adds:

“In this new study and in one published in 2005, we have proved that only chromosomal rearrangements, rather than mutations, can explain the high rates and wide ranges of drug resistance in cancer cells.”

Think of the number of people who die each year of cancer as compared to the number who die from bacterial infection, and one can easily see that all the chest-slapping by the Darwinists about how RM+NS has given us anti-bacterial drugs can know pound their breasts in remorse at the “wrong path” mutational theory has led cancer researchers. This isn’t just a battle between the God-denying and the God-affirming segments of our global society, it’s about good science versus bad science, about reason versus myth.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/


6 posted on 06/27/2007 11:11:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

bump for later


11 posted on 06/27/2007 11:20:02 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: GodGunsGuts

I don’t give a crap about anyone’s theories. Cancer and watching a loved one die because nothing works is a living hell.


23 posted on 06/28/2007 12:40:47 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: GodGunsGuts
This is an incredibly weak argument against evolutionary theory that seems to be based on the word "mutation". Does anyone honestly think that a researcher who disputes the importance of mutation of cancer cells is attacking evolution?

Wow, that's weak, embarrassingly weak

29 posted on 06/28/2007 2:08:39 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Very interesting - too bad my wife died from cancer four years ago, too early to benefit from this discovery (if it eventually proves correct).


32 posted on 06/28/2007 2:47:10 AM PDT by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Chromosomes are a basic part of biology and all serious study of biology is based on Darwin’s Theory. When you goofballs get around to curing cancer with prayers to mythological sky gods, let us know.
34 posted on 06/28/2007 3:43:10 AM PDT by shuckmaster (The only purpose of the news is to fill the space around the advertisements.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“...it ascribes cancer to chromosomal disruption, called aneuploidy, that can be seen easily through a microscope...”

The same kind of testing now being done for a wide variety of illnesses that never used to be regarded as helpful. I also wait for the day when scientists understand how bacteria and viruses affect us at the cellular level.


39 posted on 06/28/2007 4:49:47 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: GodGunsGuts
All this back and fourth makes me want to eat two double cheddar cheeseburgers, large home made fries( extra salt ) down it with a whole milk frap and then go run up and down sand dunes. That would be my cure for cancer.
41 posted on 06/28/2007 5:03:41 AM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Something similar is discussed in Tom Bethell’s “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science.” I don’t have time to look it up now. If I recall though, cancer cells often have double the chromosomes - two sets of blueprints.
42 posted on 06/28/2007 5:20:56 AM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: Always ready to take side)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Where’s the part about evolution, Darwinism, or anything resembling it?

I see a researcher wanting more funding and trying to get it by attacking some established genetic research with a theory.

The BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes immediately come to mind.


43 posted on 06/28/2007 5:21:11 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: sistergoldenhair

Old quacks never die, they just find a new soapbox.


46 posted on 06/28/2007 5:46:25 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I find it rather egomaniacal for Duesling to claim sole credit for an idea a century old and much debated for over a decade, but considering his counterfactual position on HIV I suppose he just likes being the center of attention.


66 posted on 06/28/2007 11:34:22 AM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: GodGunsGuts

Dawrinism would hamper the war on cancer is anybody still used Darwinism for scientific research.

Darwinism has not really been the basis since the 1930’s.

Darwinism doesn’t include DNA or genetics.


78 posted on 06/28/2007 12:24:42 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: gcruse

I don’t know if this is starting to get irritating, but I thought you might find it interesting...


92 posted on 06/29/2007 11:10:11 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: neverdem

ping


114 posted on 07/01/2007 10:22:57 PM PDT by GOPJ (The aggressor is always peace-loving;he would prefer to take over...unopposed.-Karl von Clauswitz)
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