To: DaveLoneRanger; Tailgunner Joe; SirLinksalot; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; betty boop; metmom; ...
To: GodGunsGuts
According to his novel yet controversial "chromosomal" theory of cancer, which is receiving increased attention among cancer researchers, each cancer is unique, and there is no magic bullet. Like hell he invented that concept, or that it's remotely controversial.
To: GodGunsGuts
I know it's fun and tempting to turn every article into an anti-evolutionary screed, but what the heck does this have to do with disproving Darwin? Certainly there's nothing to that effect in the text of the article...
I think you guys can do better.
5 posted on
06/27/2007 11:09:17 PM PDT by
Alter Kaker
(Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
To: All
In this latest post at PhysOrg, it seems that Darwinism hasnt helped, but instead hindered the fight against cancer.
Dr. Peter Duesberg, a molecular biologist at Berkeley,
“proposed in 2000 that the assumption underlying most cancer research today is wrong. That assumption, that cancer results from a handful of genetic mutations that drive a cell into uncontrolled growth, has failed to explain many aspects of cancer, he said, and has led researchers down the wrong path.”
And, in words that support Behes main thesis in The Edge of Evolution, Deusberg also adds:
In this new study and in one published in 2005, we have proved that only chromosomal rearrangements, rather than mutations, can explain the high rates and wide ranges of drug resistance in cancer cells.
Think of the number of people who die each year of cancer as compared to the number who die from bacterial infection, and one can easily see that all the chest-slapping by the Darwinists about how RM+NS has given us anti-bacterial drugs can know pound their breasts in remorse at the wrong path mutational theory has led cancer researchers. This isnt just a battle between the God-denying and the God-affirming segments of our global society, its about good science versus bad science, about reason versus myth.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/
To: GodGunsGuts
11 posted on
06/27/2007 11:20:02 PM PDT by
Cacique
(quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
To: GodGunsGuts
I don’t give a crap about anyone’s theories. Cancer and watching a loved one die because nothing works is a living hell.
To: GodGunsGuts
This is an incredibly weak argument against evolutionary theory that seems to be based on the word "mutation". Does anyone honestly think that a researcher who disputes the importance of mutation of cancer cells is attacking evolution?
Wow, that's weak, embarrassingly weak
29 posted on
06/28/2007 2:08:39 AM PDT by
muir_redwoods
(Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
To: GodGunsGuts
Very interesting - too bad my wife died from cancer four years ago, too early to benefit from this discovery (if it eventually proves correct).
32 posted on
06/28/2007 2:47:10 AM PDT by
Edward Watson
(Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
To: GodGunsGuts
Chromosomes are a basic part of biology and all serious study of biology is based on Darwin’s Theory. When you goofballs get around to curing cancer with prayers to mythological sky gods, let us know.
34 posted on
06/28/2007 3:43:10 AM PDT by
shuckmaster
(The only purpose of the news is to fill the space around the advertisements.)
To: GodGunsGuts
“...it ascribes cancer to chromosomal disruption, called aneuploidy, that can be seen easily through a microscope...”
The same kind of testing now being done for a wide variety of illnesses that never used to be regarded as helpful. I also wait for the day when scientists understand how bacteria and viruses affect us at the cellular level.
39 posted on
06/28/2007 4:49:47 AM PDT by
txzman
(Jer 23:29)
To: GodGunsGuts
All this back and fourth makes me want to eat two double cheddar cheeseburgers, large home made fries( extra salt ) down it with a whole milk frap and then go run up and down sand dunes. That would be my cure for cancer.
41 posted on
06/28/2007 5:03:41 AM PDT by
Leisler
(Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
To: GodGunsGuts
Something similar is discussed in Tom Bethell’s “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science.” I don’t have time to look it up now. If I recall though, cancer cells often have double the chromosomes - two sets of blueprints.
42 posted on
06/28/2007 5:20:56 AM PDT by
ChessExpert
(MSM: Always ready to take side)
To: GodGunsGuts
Where’s the part about evolution, Darwinism, or anything resembling it?
I see a researcher wanting more funding and trying to get it by attacking some established genetic research with a theory.
The BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes immediately come to mind.
43 posted on
06/28/2007 5:21:11 AM PDT by
ElectricStrawberry
(1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
To: sistergoldenhair
Old quacks never die, they just find a new soapbox.
46 posted on
06/28/2007 5:46:25 AM PDT by
facedown
(Armed in the Heartland)
To: GodGunsGuts
I find it rather egomaniacal for Duesling to claim sole credit for an idea a century old and much debated for over a decade, but considering his counterfactual position on HIV I suppose he just likes being the center of attention.
66 posted on
06/28/2007 11:34:22 AM PDT by
ahayes
("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
To: GodGunsGuts
Dawrinism would hamper the war on cancer is anybody still used Darwinism for scientific research.
Darwinism has not really been the basis since the 1930’s.
Darwinism doesn’t include DNA or genetics.
78 posted on
06/28/2007 12:24:42 PM PDT by
gondramB
(Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
To: gcruse
I don’t know if this is starting to get irritating, but I thought you might find it interesting...
92 posted on
06/29/2007 11:10:11 AM PDT by
CarrotAndStick
(The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
To: neverdem
114 posted on
07/01/2007 10:22:57 PM PDT by
GOPJ
(The aggressor is always peace-loving;he would prefer to take over...unopposed.-Karl von Clauswitz)
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