FRED OR DUNCAN

N/A ^ | 26 June 2007 | NAPSCOORDINATOR

[napscoordinator]

A discussion thread about Fred vs Duncan

[Greg F]

You should be working phone trees, licking envelopes and ringing door bells for Hunter. I seriously doubt that Hunter, who is personally a fine man, would approve of your tactics. They don’t help him a bit, and they may actually be hurting him some.

I agree. Grass roots is the only way to move Hunter up in the polls with no main stream media coverage. Ann Coulter with a couple comments on FOX and MSNBC has probably given him as much airtime as he has had through other sources combined, the truncated, sound-bite, barely watched debates excluded.

[NYC Republican]

Bill Clinton was 2% in the polls in OCTOBER of ‘91, so if Duncan Hunter only gets to 2% by October, he can be president.

You keep spamming this thread with that same dumb ignorant post... Buchanan was at 30% in the primaries, but we all know he didn't stand a prayer. So, what's your point???

[PlainOleAmerican]

But Thompson is going to need to strengthen the ticket strategically with his choice, if he’s indeed the nominee.

As mush as I like Hunter on a personal level, he is bringing nothing to the ticket in the form of additional supporters. It wouldn’t be like say a Thompson/Giuliani ticket (GOD FORBID), where the numbers make sense, even though the opposing ideologies don’t.

Thompson (or whomever the nominee is) will have to choose not only a like-minded running mate, but one who adds numbers in support of that ticket.

Hunter has had his chance to reach the people and he has not been able to reach them. The same can be said for Paul, Tancredo, Gilmore, Brownback and the other so-called “second tier” candidates. Their “tier” is so far out of the race that unless they are trying to pick up campaign donations that they intend to keep after they drop out of the race, there is really very little reason to be in the race...

Tell me who is the magic running mate that brings both strong conservative values AND additional supporters (including money) of any volume to a Thompson ticket?

[Greg F]

Fred because having a remote possibility of winning counts.”

Not so fast. It’s still early.

Clinton only had 2% poll #’s in October of ‘91, and it’s still June.
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Very true. Clinton had incredible political skills, incredible organization, and incredible charisma (never pulled me in, but everyone remembers how the libs and non-political types reacted to him, even if he never got a majority of the national vote). Hunter is going to have to prove himself and his conservative supporters need to get working to make it happen and get his issues, particularly border security more discussed in the campaign. It’s a winner regardless of whether he gets much traction or not.

[Greg F]

Tell me who is the magic running mate that brings both strong conservative values AND additional supporters (including money) of any volume to a Thompson ticket?

Maybe a conservative Governor like Tommy Thompson that can help move a swing state to the Republican column.

[PlainOleAmerican]

Right idea, but wrong man I think. Tommy Thompson was pushing the verichip and volunteered to be the first to be implanted upon leaving his post with Bush. That alone will keep conservatives away from Tommy.

The best thing about Hunter is he “might” bring some of California with him. But I see nothing more than that in his case.

Tancredo is very much a one trick pony, also with no clout behind him. Huckabee’s another good man in my opinion, but also adds nothing to the ticket.

The running mate doesn’t have to come from the field of presidential candidates of course. In most cases, they won’t...

I think we will have to go outside the field to find the right running mate. Strategically, Giuliani has the right numbers we’re looking for. But he is just too far left socially to unite under Thompson on a ticket I think.

McCain is out for me, for a number of reasons. He needs to retire.

Romney would be the only one from the field with any real possibilities for me.

[NYC Republican]

I'm thinking that if Thomspon doesn't throw his hat into the ring, the only other guy I'd then support enthusiastically is Romney.

[NYC Republican]

Thompson, not Thomspon.

[PlainOleAmerican]

BTW - I read your breakdown of the candidate linked here and fundamentally agree with what you said.

At some point, and it is early, conservatives do understand the need to unite around a candidate far right of the democratic socialists across the aisle today.

In time, they will get there. Can’t blame them for wanting to stand their ideological ground this early in the race, even if the numbers don’t support that decision. It does have to be about more than the numbers...

What’s somewhat sad to me, is the tendency to slash and burn other good conervatives in an effort to defend that position. This is productive for no one accept the real enemy.

[dragnet2]

Your statement below:

""If the illegals in Illinois crossed the Mexican border in Texas without Texas doing anything to stop them, then yes, Texas state put Illinois in this position.""

And I responded: "What do you believe should happen to Texas for allowing this to happen to Chicago Illinois? Should the state of Illinois sue the state of Texas for damages, crime, smuggled in drugs, social services, fraud etc?"

At no point did I indicate that anyone was or should be seeking punative damages from the border states who have allowed their own borders to go unprotected while Washington fumbled around.

But you *clearly* blamed Texas and other border states for tens of thousands of illegals entering the state of Illinois, and the rest of America

These are your words.

Not once have you blamed the Federal Government, Congress, or the President, who are paid, and taken an oath to protect and secure these *Federal* Borders.

You have stated, in your own words, this illegal invasion of the United States is the Fault of the state of Arizona, the state of California, the state of New Mexico and the state of Texas.

Then you say,

The states could have and should have taken at a minimum, the same actions taken by the MinuteMen project.

Do you understand those volunteers involved in the Minuteman project only observe and report, and they are told to avoid contact with illegals?

Who do you think the Minutemen report illegal crossings to?

Well?

[PlainOleAmerican]

You really like coming up with your own imaginary interpretations of statements, don’t you...

I have run out of time for pointless idle chit-chat...

Get to your pointless point...and lets move along, shall we.

[dragnet2]

I have run out of time for pointless idle chit-chat...

I was quoting your own words above.

The only thing you have run out of are answers to valid, legitimate questions, and common sense.

[NYC Republican]

Thanks. Good post, I agree, and it is unfortunate.

[PlainOleAmerican]

In your dreams...keep dreaming.

[TN4Liberty]

Someone DIDN’T read.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595825/posts?page=3#3

Indeed, someone didn't. And it wasn't me.

[Calpernia]

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1787816/posts
Corporate America is Tracking Your Every Move

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1753165/posts
A GENERATION IS ALL THEY NEED

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IBM and the Holocaust

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/index.html
Research is all there for the reading.

Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.

But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.

IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

IBM's Hollerith punch card IBM's subsidiary, Dehomag in Berlin, Germany

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[dragnet2]

Nice dodge.

Your quotes and the list of questions you avoided and declined to respond to, are still above. Feel free to respond anytime.

[TN4Liberty]

I read it, all of it.

If you want to wander through life thinking that biometrics = RFID, go for it.

I give up.

[Calpernia]

You should give up. You are hijacking the thread. Each piece I posted states Verichip is the identifying component to the database that holds that biometric information. I even gave you some history.

This is your words "through life thinking that biometrics = RFID", not mine. You are playing with semantics to disprove the fact that Fred VOTED FOR the comprehensive alien tracking and identification system in 2002.

Now, if you want to start a thread to find out how Verichip is involved with the Biometric tracking process....I have 3 years of threads I will gladly link in and I'll add a large amount of the docs we have from the FOIA we have on this topic.

[LadyPilgrim]

Our son who is also a freeper says where he travels, which is around the southeast and southwest. No one knows him.
He says, I’m the only one who’s ever even mentioned his name.

Sad to say but he has no name recognition except here on FR.