FRED OR DUNCAN

N/A ^ | 26 June 2007 | NAPSCOORDINATOR

[napscoordinator]

A discussion thread about Fred vs Duncan

[lilylangtree]

I’m liking Hunter because of his background—conservative on issues, military background, his past and present voting record.

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

Would vote for either. Fred is more electable, and thus primary time he gets my vote.

[plinker's2sense]

http://www.gohunter08.com/

[YdontUleaveLibs]

Both. Although I like a Thompson/Watts ticket, I believe Hunter, should be around in an advisory capacity.

[Always Right]

Well, it’s hard to support Fred Thompson at this juncture, since nobody knows what his positions will be. He is popular because he is the repository of the hopes of disaffected Republicans who are currently less than enamored of the declared contenders.

Fred is popular because he articulates conservative views better than the other candidates and his supporters know his views.

Hunter would probably make an excellent president, but unfortunately he hasn't any money...and we all know it comes down to money.

Which is an odd statement considering Fred has moved to the top without spending money. Hunter just did not get it done.

[HEY4QDEMS]

I think that head to head, Duncan is the better choice, but I can embrace Fred if he gets the nom.

As long as Mitt and Rudy loose, I’m good.

[Dixie Yooper]

By the time the National Conventions roll around, the amnesty bill will probably be signed and become law. Does Fred or Duncan have the ability to create a new plan that includes our new citizens so they don’t all become pawns of the liberals? Do either of them speak Spanish?

[OB1kNOb]

I prefer Duncan Hunter because of his political experience, his military experience, his unwavering position on illegal immigration and the need for a secure border, his leadership, and his position on the War Against Islamo-terrorism. I think he is by far and away the best political hope for continued conservative values in this nation. I will continue to support him over any other GOP candidate, until he either wins the nomination or until he removes himself from the race. If the latter, then and only then will I consider another candidate, and at this point, it would likely be Fred Thompson. The rest of the candidates can just go quietly away as far as I’m concerned.

[RockinRight]

Yeah, yeah, yeah...we know. It’s not news.

[traderrob6]

“Hunter because consistency counts”

Fred because having a remote possibility of winning counts.

[Shelayne]

FRED OR DUNCAN

YES!

[napscoordinator]

By the time the National Conventions roll around, the amnesty bill will probably be signed and become law. Does Fred or Duncan have the ability to create a new plan that includes our new citizens so they don’t all become pawns of the liberals? Do either of them speak Spanish?

Hopefully the House will take care of that. But I am going to contact Hunter’s campaign and volunteer for whatever I can. It is not too late for Hunter at all. The first primary is still a half year away at the least.

[RockinRight]

You’re not flamed for posting facts. You’re flamed for posting the exact same cut-and-paste post 12 times on every thread where Thompson’s name comes up.

[LonePalm]

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

I vote for Thompson/Hunter '08.

Both candidates are quite conservative, and quite acceptable. Now, I know the Duncanistas will run Fred down (in fact, one already has) by putting up that bogus NumbersUSA list showing that "Fred wants to sell out all us patriotic, God-fearin' Amurikan workers to them that New World Order types and them thar Mescan illegals!" I encourage anybody with the time to actually look the bills and amendments up online through the House of Representatives websites. I did, and found that their list is a lot of hokum that gives absolutely no context to the votes, and is designed solely to misleadingly present Fred as being "soft on immergrayshun".

Duncan is not without his flaws.

• The guy's never won a statewide election. The guy's never TRIED TO WIN a statewide election, which suggests that his gumption and fire-in-the-belly are a bit overstated.

• He's sat in the House for 26 years (a Duncanista even yelled at me yesterday for saying 21 years!), which smells like "career politician" to me.

• Despite the touted credentials of being against unfair free trade deals with substandard third world countries, his record is actually mixed. While he voted against several trade deals with Latin America, he has voted FOR similar trade deals with Muslim Middle Eastern countries.

• Hunter's record of fiscal responsibility is mixed, at best. He's been a big porkbarreler while in Congress (and no, it is NOT "all just military spending"). He voted for No Child Left Behind (which, admittedly, so did Fred), and he also voted for the prescription drug bill that Bush pushed through, which to date has been the single largest increase in federal entitlement spending our government has made.

Finally, Hunter supporters attack Fred for being friends with John McCain, some even going so far as to suggest blatantly silly conspiracy theories to the effect that Fred is "a stalking horse" whose REAL plan is to "win it for McCain". If this is so, if Fred's friendship with McCain must mean that Fred's trying to "win it for McCain" or that he's going to angle to get McCain as his Veep, then are the Duncanistas similarly willing to say that Hunter must be hopelessly corrupt because he was good friends with Duke Cunningham? Is Duncan secretly planning to take bribes from defence contractors, evade paying his taxes, and commit wire fraud?

[RockinRight]

Flip it for me.

Hunter I’m about 75% in agreement with, Fred about 90%. Hunter is too protectionist for his own good. His heart is in the right place, but I think he’s a bit too strict on trade issues. On immigration, I agree with him and think he’s a bit better than Thompson.

However, on the flip side, Thompson is far better on tax and fiscal issues than Hunter. Also, Hunter is more willing to compromise Consititutional Federalism for a “conservative” cause, whereas Fred will vote against something percieved as conservative if he feels that it is contrary to Federalist ideas.

[beltfed308]

Some of us would happily support either -

Count me in. I prefer Hunter but can go with Fred if he takes the primary.

[Larry Lucido]

Hunter-Thompson 2008

It’s not just for gonzos.

[nativist]

Duncan Hunter has a message and to be honest Fred does not. I have no qualms with Fred but I really don't even know what he stands for, all I know is that people say he is electable.

I believe Hunters stance on immigration, trade, and manufacturing in America would resonate with moderates and blue dog Dems. He has a great personal story and is very intelligent.

Fred just seems to me like he is practicing for a role. Maybe in the months to come he will give me something to support. Right now Hunter is the very best candidate, issues wise, of all the candidates running.

I believe the more people hear from him the better he will do, but it takes money and time. Supporters need to pass the word to friends and family.

[bluebeak]

TANCREDO.!