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Crowd aims fury at regional panel (Tahoe residents point finger at environmentalists)
LA Times ^ | 6/26/07 | Eric Bailey and J. Michael Kennedy, Times Staff Writers

Posted on 06/26/2007 9:50:48 AM PDT by BurbankKarl

The mood of the crowd jammed into the meeting room was angry.

Many had lost their homes to the forest fire that swept through the Sierra Nevada just south of Lake Tahoe.

They said they were angry at bureaucrats and environmentalists who made cutting of trees and clearing of land difficult. There was always too much red tape, they said, and now it was too late.

In all, a crowd of nearly 2,000 people descended on the South Tahoe Middle School auditorium Monday night, wanting to be heard in the face of their losses.

And if there was an object of scorn in the crowd, it was the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency, a powerful bi-state environmental land use agency charged with managing the resources of the basin.

When a speaker mentioned the agency, the crowd responded with a chorus of boos. "What a joke!" yelled one man.

The wrangling began in earnest over the assignment of blame, including arguments over whether federal and state forest managers had made their tree clearing rules too strict in the face of pressure by environmentalists.

A common sentiment Monday was expressed by Jerry Martin, a bartender at the Horizon Casino Resort, whose house was still standing, although eight others around it had burned to the ground. He said U.S. Forest Service rules regulating the harvesting of dead trees were too stringent for those living next to government land.

"I hate to get political, but environmentalists wouldn't let us cut down the dead trees," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ecoweenies; environmentalism; forestmanagement; gloriesofsocialism; greens; laketahoe; propertyrights; wildfires
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To: meyer
Those people are beyond useless.

Oh, not so. If you don't hang them too far apart, their skulls clunk together when the wind blows. Kind of makes for a gory wind "chime", but one thing that's really cool is how the tones change as the carrion beasts do their work.

61 posted on 06/26/2007 1:51:26 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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To: BurbankKarl
USDA Forest Service Lake Tahoe Basin Management Unit Fuels and Vegetation Management Review

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Review Findings
Overall, the people interviewed feel there is a serious fuels problem in the Basin. They support rapid fuels treatments to reduce the wildfire hazard. There is general agreement that everyone who lives/works in the Basin, and all agencies that have responsibilities in the Basin own a piece of the problem. Because the Forest Service is the largest land managing agency in the Basin, there is an expectation that the Forest Service will lead the way toward a solution to the fuels problem.

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62 posted on 06/26/2007 1:56:45 PM PDT by Species8472 (We will never Forget !)
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To: bigfootbob

yeppers to that, extortion was a key element to the building of the Ritz at Salt Creek.


63 posted on 06/26/2007 2:00:48 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: Southack
"Now you seldom if ever hear of a forest fire in Alabama (a woodland state)."

Alabama: 73% forested and growing at the rate of one million acres a year.

I spent a lot of time in Tahoe in the late 60's, early 70's.

64 posted on 06/26/2007 2:09:55 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border then, Introduce an Illegal Immigrant Deportation Bill)
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To: sergeantdave; Grampa Dave; dalereed; tubebender; Carry_Okie; ElkGroveDan; calcowgirl; ...
The Tahoe Basin is made up of the far eastern end of two CA counties (Placer & El Dorado) and one or two NV counties and is controlled by way of a "Bi-State Compact" in cooperation with the Federal Government. Sort of like the way Indian gaming has "Compacts" with the Governor of a state government.

We always figured it was sorta like the District of Columbia, another Federal Colony and that residents shouldn't be allowed to vote in El Dorado County issues, but NOoooooooHo Ho Hooooooo they get bites a both apples everytime!!!

In other words, the Tahoe Basin is a Federal Colony that has assigned governing duties and land use control to the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency, aka TRPA. Even though the area of the fire was totally in El Dorado County, the Sheriff was the only one there from the county with any authority whatsoever and that pertained only to law enforcement other than traffic!

The County's Master/General Plan maps have a big blank spot on the northeastern end that says... "other jurisdiction!" This is another fabrication of Democrats who feel that they redeemed this "Holy City" as the Mecca for the EnvironMental gods (read Sierra Flub members), safe from the rampant forces of the free markets in the 1970's!!!

Just to be sure all this worked out, the State of CA established the Tahoe CONservancy as a state agency to oversee the erosion controls, etc., to facilitate the "Keep Tahoe Blue" campaign. The state employees of this CONservancy enjoy all the benefits of state employment including a defined benefit pension that private sector employees can only dream of these days!!!

Done to the tune of "Pave over paradise and put in a parking lot, doot, doot, doot..."

65 posted on 06/26/2007 2:24:20 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not only in CONtempt of CONgress, I'm in CONtempt of the other 3 branches as well!!!)
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To: pabianice
Gee. Perhaps they shouldn’t have voted for envirowhackos when they had a chance not to.

They didn't vote for them. TARPA, like the Coastal Commission, was forced on local residents by people who mostly live elsewhere.

66 posted on 06/26/2007 2:31:22 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: BurbankKarl; Carry_Okie; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; marsh2; calcowgirl
Ah! I'm so glad you heard Dr. Wattenberg! He's fantastic most of the time!

There is absolutely NO official designation or commission creating any such position of authority as an "EnvironMentalist!" As Dr. Wattenberg likes to say "They just rubberstamp themselves in the forehead and in the A$$ with the word "EnvironMentalist," and that's all there is to it!!!

67 posted on 06/26/2007 2:32:39 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not only in CONtempt of CONgress, I'm in CONtempt of the other 3 branches as well!!!)
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To: HKMk23
As the situation exists...

We have no disagreement about the situation as it exists.

THEN there could be discussion of, say, controlled burns to revitalize oak trees, and other strategies for artifically replicating other necessary natural processes.

I've been restoring my land manually for seventeen years, including meadows right down to grasses and groundcovers. It's an enormous amount of labor. There was removing at least 100 cords of wood and 20,000 BF of timber. There have been massive drainage projects. Weed control is the hardest part; it's effectively a full time job. You can now see the difference between our place and its surroundings from 20,000 feet on Google-Earth. The principal reason I can't burn it now is because of my neighbors.

The saddest part of it is to find out that, according to the half-dozen professional botanists who've visited my property, there is NO ONE else on the entire Central Coast of California who has done what I've done. Think about it: with all the wailing and crying over "the environment" that there is out there, after the hundreds of billions taxpayers have spent, NOBODY gets on their hands and knees to do the frustrating, persistant, physically dangerous, and intellectually demanding work of thinning, weeding, and replanting at a rigorous level.

I have other reasons for what I'm doing as detailed in my book. I'm trying to bootstrap a market in habitat management and restoration, eventually to replace unconstitutional government environmental management where it can prove itself more effective.

68 posted on 06/26/2007 2:33:02 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
AND THE STUPID SWORTSNAYGUR SIERRA-NEVADA CONSERVANCY!!! (please remember to include this abomination in any future reference to CA intrusion of government(s))
69 posted on 06/26/2007 2:38:26 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not only in CONtempt of CONgress, I'm in CONtempt of the other 3 branches as well!!!)
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To: BurbankKarl; SierraWasp; Grampa Dave
The chickens awake after the fox is in the hen house...
70 posted on 06/26/2007 2:44:54 PM PDT by tubebender (Large reward for person offering leads to my missing tag lines...)
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To: HKMk23
REading the article it says that there were no regulations against property owners creating defensible space and’or removing dead trees from their property.
I would like to see some factual data, either way, that areas that used to experience wildfires on a regular basis can maintain a healthy ecosystem by human intervention alone; I have always heard that the evidence for this is the native vegetation that requires fire to be able to germinate, but I could be wrong. But it just might be that there are some places people shouldn’t live, such as rural areas that burn on a regular basis; perhaps it’s just a dumb as rebuilding on New Orleans or areas of Florida that get whacked by hurricanes every year.
71 posted on 06/26/2007 2:54:31 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: NormsRevenge
A lot of folks were blocked from clearing their properties and singled out the Regional Planning Agency.

It is criminal when you get a few yahoos, who do not understand responsible forest management, dictating their "feel good" emotions on other people. Their decisions and insidious dictates have destroyed a lot of other peoples lives, they should be forced to man the fire lines

72 posted on 06/26/2007 3:17:18 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: tubebender
You speak the truth, as usual, Mr. tubebender!!!

Today's Sacramento BEE's giant headlines scream... "WORST NIGHTMARE."

The San Franpsycho Comical's says "150 YEARS OF FOREST ABUSE."

But that picture at the beginning of this thread is illustrative of the horriffic human cost of GovernMental EnvironMentalism brought to us by GANG-GREEN!!!

73 posted on 06/26/2007 3:20:01 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not only in CONtempt of CONgress, I'm in CONtempt of the other 3 branches as well!!!)
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To: BurbankKarl

The Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors recently passed the following resolution on Forest conditions. The way National Forests are being managed is shameful.:

RESOLUTION DIRECTING ABATEMENT OF A PUBLIC NUISANCE

WHEREAS, approximately 63% of Siskiyou County’s 6,600 square mile land base is retained as federally managed lands; and

WHEREAS, on August 17, 2001, the Federal Register Vol. 66, number 160, listed the Siskiyou County communities of Big Springs, Callahan, Dorris, Dunsmuir, Etna, Fort Jones, Gazelle, Happy Camp, Hornbrook, Horse Creek, Klamath River, Macdoel, McCloud, Mt. Shasta, Quartz Valley, Sawyers Bar, Scott Bar, Seiad Valley, Somes Bar, Tennant, Weed and Yreka as “Urban Wildland Interface Communities Within the Vicinity of Federal Lands That Are at High Risk From Wildfire”; and

WHEREAS, the Klamath National Forest – a typical Forest located in Siskiyou County, has a standing inventory of 13.5 billion board feet of timber and grows an additional 654 million board feet (MMBF) of timber each year; and

WHEREAS, compared with the year 1989 where 320 MMBF of timber were harvested from the Klamath National Forest, the Northwest Forest Plan reduced the Allowable Sales Quantity on the Klamath to only 440 MMBF over a 10 year period - or approximately 44 MMBF a year; and

WHEREAS, only about 15 MMBF is currently being harvested netting 639 MMBF of additional biomass being added to the Forest each year creating unhealthy forest densities that stress trees, making them more susceptible to pests and disease and aggravating an already dangerously high fuel load; and

WHEREAS, large wildfires have resulted such as in 2006 when the Titus, Hancock, Uncles Complex and Rush fires burned 28,000 acres in Siskiyou County, threatening local communities and costing the federal government more than $12 million to try and contain them until the fall rains and snow could extinguish them; and

WHEREAS, in 2006 more than 16,000 acres burned in the Six Rivers National Forest on the Western edge of Siskiyou County and another 51,000 acres on the Shasta Trinity, south of Siskiyou County;

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors finds that the current situation of heavy fuel loading in the Klamath, Shasta-Trinity, Six Rivers, Rogue River-Siskiyou, and Modoc National Forests constitutes a dangerous public nuisance posing a genuine threat to the public safety of communities throughout Siskiyou County; and

THAT THE SISKIYOU COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVIORS DIRECTS the U.S. Department of Agriculture to commence immediate and accelerated efforts to abate this nuisance through comprehensive and widespread hazardous fuel reduction on National Forests throughout Siskiyou County.


74 posted on 06/26/2007 3:59:14 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: marsh2

Now THAT’s what I call a high grade County Board of Supervisors!!! Bravo!!! Encore!!!


75 posted on 06/26/2007 4:08:04 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not only in CONtempt of CONgress, I'm in CONtempt of the other 3 branches as well!!!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Left the dead wood standing?...brilliant move!

But it was...was...was natural!

Just like lightning strikes.

And forest fires...

76 posted on 06/26/2007 4:12:00 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Carry_Okie; HKMk23

Do you look at this in the same ways if you contrast a populated area with hardly anyone knowledgeable about these things, compared to a more “wild” area that is not inhabited with humans everyday, compared yet again to a place of beauty, such as your land, that has been studiously groomed and cared for with all due regard for the “Natural Process?”


77 posted on 06/26/2007 4:13:59 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not only in CONtempt of CONgress, I'm in CONtempt of the other 3 branches as well!!!)
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To: BurbankKarl

That picture of that woman holding her head and bawling in overwhelmed disbelieving grief almost reminds me of Lot’s wife, (no, I’m not talking about Trent!) who then turned into a pillar of salt! It’s truly a haunting picture!!!


78 posted on 06/26/2007 4:16:39 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not only in CONtempt of CONgress, I'm in CONtempt of the other 3 branches as well!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
I live in the Peoples Republic of Ca, but a long ways from the cities. The problem with this states is that the mass of votes are from Frisco and Northern Mexico City, (otherwise known as LA)
These people who pass these laws do not live in the mountains or in the rural areas but we still have to put up with their ignorant BS!!!!
There is a constant undercurrent for Northern Calif. to split off from the south and together with southern Oregon form the new state of Jefferson. We will never be represented fairly in the state as it is currently situated. If every single voter from the other 80% of the state voted against the crap tree-hugger bills the overwhelming amount of votes from the two socialist cities will dictate to all of us what we must do on our own land. Sometimes I think we should surround the two major cities, cut off all water, electricity, and highways, and just sit back and wait for them to figure out if they really need us or not. I am tired of their uppity attitudes. They have allowed their own turf, the cities to become infested with gangs and racism and somehow think that gives them the right to tell everyone what to do, when to do it, and how high to jump!! My message to them is simple. Stay home, stay out of our affairs, and clean up your own messes.
79 posted on 06/26/2007 4:30:01 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: BurbankKarl
"I hate to get political, but environmentalists wouldn't let us cut down the dead trees," he said.

It's like saying... "I hate to TELL THE TRUTH but environmentalists wouldn't let us cut down the dead trees,"
80 posted on 06/26/2007 7:52:18 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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