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Huge Mosque Stirs Protests In Cologne
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-25-2007 | Harry de Quetteville

Posted on 06/24/2007 5:07:51 PM PDT by blam

Huge mosque stirs protests in Cologne

By Harry de Quetteville in Cologne
Last Updated: 12:39am BST 25/06/2007

The construction of one of Europe's biggest mosques near to a globally famous Christian landmark has sparked a furious row in Germany.

Immigration and integration are hugely sensitive questions in Germany, which is home to a Turkish community of several million. But almost within the shadow of Cologne Cathedral, political correctness has now been replaced by bitter confrontation as the city's Muslims begin to build a 2,000-capacity mosque with twin minarets that will reach 170ft.

"Muslims have been here for 40 years, yet people are praying in back rooms," said Seyda Can, an Islamic theologian at the Turkish Islamic Union in Cologne. "There are 120,000 Muslims in Cologne, that's 12 per cent of the population. We should not hide."

Work will begin in the autumn on the £15 million mosque, which will include huge glass and stone cupolas and two six-storey minarets.

Ms Can, who speaks fluent German, is an eloquent advocate for the mosque, arguing that when completed in 2009 it will aid the integration of a population sometimes regarded as outsiders.

"With this mosque Muslims will no longer think of their old countries as their home, but of Germany," she said.

"Two hundred years ago the first Protestant church was built in Cologne. It was a long process for Protestants to be accepted but today, of course, they are. Why can't we be the same?"

However, others believe that the mosque in the city's Ehrenfeld district, just two miles from the Gothic spires of Cologne Cathedral, will foster, rather that heal, divisions.

"It's not a popular plan," said Joerg Uckermann, the district's deputy mayor. "We don't want to build a Turkish ghetto in Ehrenfeld. I know about Londonistan and I don't want that here."

Mr Uckermann is part of a curious coalition of protest that has united Jewish intellectuals and neo-Nazis. Leading the charge is Ralph Giordano, a prominent Jewish author, who wrote recently that Germany was witnessing a "clash of two completely different cultures" and questioned whether they could ever be reconciled.

Stating that he had received death threats for his opinions, he added: "What kind of a state are we in that I can face a fatwa in Germany?"

For Mr Uckermann, who belongs to the Right-wing CDU party of Chancellor Angela Merkel, Mr Giordano's comments smashed a long-held taboo in Germany. "Gior-dano broke down the wall," he said. "Before if you criticised this monstrous mosque you were a Nazi. But we have a problem with the integration of Muslims. It's a question of language and culture."

At the Islamic Union, every effort is made to address those fears. "We run German language courses," said Ikbal Kilic, a spokesman. "And the design of the mosque features a lot of glass, so people can see in. We want to be open."

But within the exquisitely carved walls of Cologne Cathedral, those promises are not enough.

"We live in a land of religious freedom," said Prelate Johannes Bastgen, the cathedral's dean. "I would be very glad if the same principle existed in Muslim countries."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blowback; cologne; culturalsuicide; dhimmitude; enemywithin; eurabia; fightback; germanmuslims; huge; infiltration; islam; mosque; muhammadsminions; nationalsuicide; protest; runthemout; time2fightback; waronislamism
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1 posted on 06/24/2007 5:07:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Catholic church in Cologne collects money for a mosque
2 posted on 06/24/2007 5:09:31 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border then, Introduce an Illegal Immigrant Deportation Bill)
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To: blam

dis is goin to get good!

the euros will be moving to australia, canada and the u.s.

after the moslems take over europe.


3 posted on 06/24/2007 5:11:03 PM PDT by ken21
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To: blam

I have been there. It is marvelous.

4 posted on 06/24/2007 5:13:19 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: ken21
“the euros will be moving to australia, canada and the u.s.
after the moslems take over europe.”

No, the moslems will be moving to Australia, Canada and the U.S. after thy take over europe.

5 posted on 06/24/2007 5:14:48 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: blam
"Invade their countries, kill their leaders, convert them to Christianity"

... Ann Coulter.

6 posted on 06/24/2007 5:15:09 PM PDT by condo_living_is_nice
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To: blam

“Londonistan”

PRICELESS!!


7 posted on 06/24/2007 5:17:09 PM PDT by SAMS ("I may look harmless, but I raised a U.S. MARINE!" Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: blam

Work will begin in the autumn on the £15 million mosque, which will include huge glass and stone cupolas and two six-storey minarets. .......

Who is paying for this abomination? Saudis?


8 posted on 06/24/2007 5:17:58 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: ken21
the euros will be moving to australia, canada and the u.s.

The Euros should enter the U.S. illegally through the Mexican border if they want to live here in the near future and obtain free medical care and other benefits.
9 posted on 06/24/2007 5:19:32 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: blam

..Its a question of language and culture...

That is an understated yes. A couple thousand years of judeo-christian thought, law, and social compact has generally discouraged those thoughts mooselimbs embrace.

Not to mention the rather conventional views of the female role, and individual identity vs the state.

But then muslim armories are appearing like mushrooms after a spring rain here also. The times they are a troubling.


10 posted on 06/24/2007 5:19:59 PM PDT by petertare (--)
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To: blam; eyespysomething
"There are 120,000 Muslims in Cologne, that's 12 per cent of the population. We should not hide."

Funny, that almost sounds like a threat ...

11 posted on 06/24/2007 5:21:44 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: blam; MoochPooch; Michael81Dus; Vicomte13; az_gila; Experiment 6-2-6; henkster; CT-Freeper; ...

ping.


12 posted on 06/24/2007 5:22:15 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Man50D

LOL, unfortunately, more true than not.


14 posted on 06/24/2007 5:25:21 PM PDT by BlueStateRefugee
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To: ken21

Unless they try to make the Outback more habitable, Australia would have difficulty taking in a lot more people.


15 posted on 06/24/2007 5:25:29 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: condo_living_is_nice
There can't be human-creature-forced conversion to Christianity.

At most, that quote should have 'make them reject Islam.'

16 posted on 06/24/2007 5:26:58 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

the coastal areas are that crowded?


17 posted on 06/24/2007 5:27:32 PM PDT by ken21
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To: blam

No, no! Don’t protest! Just have a nice pig roast in the Moscheeplatz with all the trimmings to welcome the new neighbors.


18 posted on 06/24/2007 5:28:50 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich!)
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To: ken21

Not so much, but they also aren’t that big. Also, Australia’s population is increasing veeeerry slowly (by American standards). This could be due to a low birthrate and ‘strict’ immigration policies, but given Australia is the driest inhabited continent (excluding Antarctica—even if it has scientists year-round, it hardly should count as being inhabited) and their recent drought (off-set by the even more recent storms and flooding) it doesn’t seem that Australia has the capacity to absorb tens of millions of Europeans (which would be the case if Europeans fled en masse instead of fighting against ‘Eurabia.’ Even if hundreds of millions immigrated to the USA and Canada (personally wouldn’t support that—their cultures are related and similar; they aren’t the same), Australia (current population 20-25 million) would probably get a lot of refugees. Personally would guess that Australia has a capacity of at most around 100 million before its ecosystem goes figuratively kersplat, and that’s including desalination plants on the coasts.


19 posted on 06/24/2007 5:35:52 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: blam
It was a long process for Protestants to be accepted but today

Um....the Protestants were Germans. Whose ancestors reached back for thousands of years in the Rhine.

20 posted on 06/24/2007 5:36:39 PM PDT by Regulator
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