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Fiddler On The Roof **Junk Science Alert**
IBD Editorials ^ | 24 June 2007 | Staff

Posted on 06/24/2007 3:45:21 PM PDT by Kitten Festival

Climate Change: The problem with warming predictions may lie in how we measure the present. Can we say that 2006 was the warmest year ever when the temperature is being measured mere feet from air conditioning exhaust?

We are all familiar with the scenario. Junior wants to stay home from school so he holds a match under a thermometer and then runs to mom to say he has a fever. We don't think it's deliberate, but something similar may be happening with our weather-monitoring methodology.

In January, the folks at the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration trumpeted the "fact" that 2006 was the warmest year ever recorded in the continental United States. This was based on daily temperature data gathered by NOAA's National Climactic Data Center and the 1,221 or so weather observation stations it monitors around the country.

A NOAA temperature and weather station in Roseburg, Ore., sits on a rooftop just four feet from an air conditioning unit.

Where these stations are and what is in the vicinity can make a difference.

(Excerpt) Read more at ibdeditorials.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; climatechange; djsob; globalwarming; gorebullwarming; ibd; junkscience
They're gunning the statistics on global warming to get more funds and more control over our lives. It's disgusting.
1 posted on 06/24/2007 3:45:26 PM PDT by Kitten Festival
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To: Kitten Festival; DaveLoneRanger; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel

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2 posted on 06/24/2007 4:06:14 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Kitten Festival

3 posted on 06/24/2007 4:10:35 PM PDT by sourcery (Double Feature: "The Amnestyville Horror" and "Kill the Bill, Vol. 2")
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4 posted on 06/24/2007 4:15:16 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Thompson Time!")
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To: neverdem
I would be careful about riding this horse too hard. Unless you can show that MORE stations are close to vents, etc., than before, showing a few weird locations doesn't change anything. A few years ago the weather bureau tried to go back and look only at a subset of all its stations, which had been in non-urbanizing locations consistenly, (thus discouting the urban heat island effect) and used that to adjust its data. I'm not saying that it's impossible that there could be some effect, but a few pictures of locations today won't prove it.

By analogy, I was at first skeptical of the CO 2 readings from the Mauna Loa observatory (side of a volcano, after all), but it turns out that the world-wide mixing is such that you get virtually the same readings anywhere in the world.

Neither of these caveats settles, of course, whether warming is occuring (probably is, ever since the end of the "little Ice age" in 1745), and whether all, some, a little bit, or none, is human caused (probably little or none, but jury's still out.)

5 posted on 06/24/2007 4:18:01 PM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: Kitten Festival
Already posted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1855503/posts

6 posted on 06/24/2007 4:34:53 PM PDT by Isara
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To: Kitten Festival

Every time you look at an individual station, you find that the folks at NCDC (or the 4 other climate statistics organizations) are just cooking the books.

They take the raw temperature data from a station and make dozens of illogical adjustments to the data to come up with their adjusted temperature series which is what they report to us and the general public.

Invariably, all the older records are adjusted downwards and all the newer records are adjusted upwards.

Virtually ALL of the increase in temperatures in the last century can be explained by these adjustments.

1934, 1937, 1921, 1951 and 1941 (in order) were the warmest years in the continental US if you just go by the raw unadjusted data. 1998 comes in 6th and 2006 doesn’t even show up in the top 20.

2007 will turn out to be the WARMEST YEAR on record when the adjusted results come in (even though the satellite measurements show there has been a very strong cooling trend throughout 2007 so far - 0.34C since the beginning of the year [to put 0.34C of cooling into perspective - that is half of the warming of 0.7C the climate statistics organizations say have happened over the last century]).


7 posted on 06/24/2007 4:36:19 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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8 posted on 06/24/2007 4:53:54 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: sourcery

I love it!!!


9 posted on 06/24/2007 4:59:28 PM PDT by Kitten Festival
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To: Kitten Festival
The value of this editorial is that what just a few days ago was a blogger’s almost obscure posting of pix of instrumentation near blacktopped parking lots and air conditioning vents was picked up by a national publication with an excellent leadership and decision-making demographic.

We can debate how cooked the raw data may be, and if the latest data set has been properly adjusted, but this is really an Inconvenient Truth to people who cling to the pictures in AlGore’s movie. Those who can prove AlGore wrong finally have images to counterbalance those he artfully has compiled.

10 posted on 06/24/2007 6:01:48 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Kitten Festival
I don't doubt it in the least. There's big, BIG money to be made here and an agenda to be pushed, so no one who wants to miss this manufactured:

11 posted on 06/24/2007 6:04:21 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: BohDaThone

The late John Daly did his own investigation of errors in the surface record. He makes the case that temperature recording stations have not only been deteriorating over time but are in an increasingly urbanized environment. By comparing urban stations with a nearby counterpart in a more rural setting he shows that the surface record has skewed towards a false warming trend.

http://www.john-daly.com/ges/surftmp/surftemp.htm


12 posted on 06/24/2007 11:03:58 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I remember the TV ads: Gravy Train — makes its own gravy.


13 posted on 06/24/2007 11:09:37 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Isara

You don’t have a lot to do, do you Isara?


14 posted on 06/25/2007 7:17:54 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping.


15 posted on 06/25/2007 8:46:55 AM PDT by GOPJ (Pimping Bush&Kennedy want to sell American citizenship for $5,000.)
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To: JustDoItAlways

Interesting. Do you have more on this — a link or anything. I’d be interested in knowing more about the “adjustments.”


16 posted on 06/25/2007 8:51:00 AM PDT by maryz
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To: GOPJ

You’re welcome.


17 posted on 06/25/2007 10:46:16 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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