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To: Bokababe

You wrote:

“The fact is I could care less about you or what you choose call your religious affiliation, Vlad — except that you refused to admit that Stepinac is considered “a Saint” in YOUR Church...”

You keep making these bizarre errors. Stepinac is considered a “Blessed”. Some may consider him a saint, but the Church has not canonized him yet so no one officially refers to him as a saint. I am surprised that you did not know this. What is worse is that I already pointed out that Stepinac was declared “Blessed” but said nothing about him having already been canonized because it hasn’t happened yet. Here you are arguing about Stepinac and you apparently know nothing of his status in the Church EVER AFTER BEING INFORMED OF IT. What does that tell us?

“... which answers to the Pope in Rome, commonly referred to as the Roman Catholic Church by non Roman Catholics.”

What some (not all) non-Catholics call the Catholic Church is irrelevant. The term “Roman Catholic” is a Protestant term. If you don’t believe me then look in the Oxford English Dictionary and you’ll see the term was invented by Anglican divines in the 16th century. I see no reason why I should use a Protestant term to refer to the Catholic Church.

“That’s it, period. Instead, you chose to take this off-topic into a game a narcissistic game of “Where’s Waldo?” about your religion, rather than answer a simple question directly and show that you have a vested interest in the outcome of the argument.”

What simple question? Show me the question in the original post.

Wait, I’ll do it for you because I don’t know if you can do it. Here’s the question I was asked in post #42: “Does this suggest that we should see additional Roman Catholic support for Croatian fascism or are you just acting alone?”

I answered with: “I am not “Roman Catholic.” I do not support fascism anywhere. And notice, I do not assume that, if you are Eastern Orthodox, that you automatically support any particular less than savory political movement in Eastern Europe. This concert is much ado about nothing. The over-reaction by several posters here does nothing but confirm that point.”

I answered your question directly. I was not asked if I was Catholic. It was assumed I was “Roman Catholic”. I corrected the assumption and then answered the incredibly leading and misleading question.

On the other hand, I made many points about Stepinac that NONE OF YOU POSTING AGAINST him have been able to answer or respond to in the least. One of you posted a forgery. I exposed it as a forgery. The reputed author denied the letter for decades. His family continues to this day to deny that he ever wrote it. Any response from you guys after it was shown to be a forgery? Nope. I post evidence – documented evidence. You guys post crap and try your hardest to pass it off as evidence.

That forgery was exposed in post #50. None of you ever touched or responded to that post. Not a single one of you. Yeah, you brave people. So, 71 posts later and no one on your side wants to admit that a forgery was being used. Lovely, just lovely.

“This behavior is blatantly dishonest, and hardly a ringing endorsement for your own personal Faith — regardless of what you choose to call it.”

My behavior has been above reproach. I have not been dishonest in any way. Again, look at the actual posts. I answered the questions. I was never asked if I was a Catholic. It was assumed I was a “Roman Catholic” – which I am not. I exposed a forgery for what it was and you guys all run for the hills and pretend not to notice it.


122 posted on 06/26/2007 4:11:25 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Don’t you have some goose stepping to do Adolf?


123 posted on 06/26/2007 8:55:39 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: vladimir998
"You keep making these bizarre errors. Stepinac is considered a “Blessed”"

You are right on that. I did slip up on that issues because I am so used to hearing Stepinac referred to as "The Patron Saint of Genocide".

"What some (not all) non-Catholics call the Catholic Church is irrelevant. The term “Roman Catholic” is a Protestant term."

I am an Orthodox Christian, not "a Protestant". (And from the Orthodox point of view, Roman Catholicism is actually "Protestantism") But every week when I say the Nicene Creed, I say, "I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" and it does not refer to your Church. I would have to be a Roman Catholic to call your Church, "The Catholic Church" and I am not. Nor will I be bulled into calling it such.

On the other hand, I made many points about Stepinac that NONE OF YOU POSTING AGAINST him have been able to answer or respond to in the least. One of you posted a forgery. I exposed it as a forgery....I exposed a forgery for what it was and you guys all run for the hills and pretend not to notice it."

Your one and only source of a "refutation" came from a Roman Catholic website, which has a vested interest in whitewashing Stepinac given that they have given him the status of "Blessed". Hardly a rock solid, "objective" source, which is why you hear "silence".

"At one time ALL Russian churches considered themselves in union with Rome and did not feel threatened in their orthodoxy. Yes, that was before 1054, but it will happen again.

Please DO hold your breath on that one, Vlad. Until or unless the Pope renounces the tile "Vicar (Substitute) of Christ", I don't know an Orthodox Christian alive who would be willing to join with Roman Catholic Church, independent of what our Church leaders do. And I don't expect that renunciation anytime soon!

This whole conversation is grossly "off-topic" and really belongs in the religious debate area. But, in closing, I will say that it is people like you, Vlad, who send a chill up my spine every time I think that some sort of reunion between our Churches might just happen.

128 posted on 06/26/2007 12:17:16 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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