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Doctors' beliefs can hinder patient care
msnbc ^ | June 22, 2007 | Sabrina Rubin Erdely

Posted on 06/22/2007 3:10:11 PM PDT by flixxx

Lori Boyer couldn't stop trembling as she sat on the examining table, hugging her hospital gown around her. Her mind was reeling. She'd been raped hours earlier by a man she knew — a man who had assured Boyer, 35, that he only wanted to hang out at his place and talk. Instead, he had thrown her onto his bed and assaulted her. "I'm done with you," he'd tonelessly told her afterward. Boyer had grabbed her clothes and dashed for her car in the freezing predawn darkness. Yet she'd had the clarity to drive straight to the nearest emergency room — Good Samaritan Hospital in Lebanon, Pennsylvania — to ask for a rape kit and talk to a sexual assault counselor. Bruised and in pain, she grimaced through the pelvic exam. Now, as Boyer watched Martin Gish, M.D., jot some final notes into her chart, she thought of something the rape counselor had mentioned earlier.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
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Here is the URL to the NEJM survey by F.A. Curlin, et.al.(full text free online) on which this msnbc article is based...

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/356/6/593?ijkey=0915929f4fe3da8b6ebbf5b92eae974d5270a890&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

Complicated topic.

1 posted on 06/22/2007 3:10:14 PM PDT by flixxx
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To: flixxx

It’s all the fault of those wicked Catholic hospitals and doctors who don’t believe in killing babies.

Typical MSNBC perspective.


2 posted on 06/22/2007 3:14:11 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: flixxx

This is a Catholic/Christian bash job by Planned Parenthood... and it makes me very skeptical of its authenticity. Most Dr.’s ...especially in the ER would refer her to someone else if he didn’t feel comfortable writing a script. She could have also asked a nurse’s assistance if she felt he was being abusive.


3 posted on 06/22/2007 3:18:19 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: flixxx
this is fiction...

all she needed to do is take 4 birth control pills wait about 12 hours and take 4 more (depends on the pills)

I call Bullsh#t on the whole article. First of all a nurse especially trained for rape exams usually would do most of the exam now and the rape kit filled out.

there are resources out the a$$ to get post rape contraception.

This is a typical Christian bash... these libs would freak if they knew what the Muzzies have in store for women that get raped....since they are so much more in touch than bad old Christians.

The only thing this article failed to do was to state "Then the doctor prayed over my body, with laying on of the hands. He spoke in tongues and offered to meet me at a Christian singles group the next day."

These guys are so full of cr#p that you'd think that the editor would want proof of the authenticity of the so called story.

The NEJM started to fall apart about 20 years ago and can be relied on to "scientifically" back up liberal causes.... environmental cr#p, circumcision cr@p, socialized medical care cr@p, unionizing doctors cr#p, etc, etc....just like the AMA.

4 posted on 06/22/2007 3:32:00 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Coleus; firebrand

ping


5 posted on 06/22/2007 3:32:51 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: flixxx

What’s very peculiar is the author’s attitude that a doctor having a moral or ethical standard he holds himself to, is a “judgment” or “condemnation” of the patient. Liberals are incapable of separating fact from (their) emotions.
Their other misconception is that the doctor is there to do whatever you want/tell him to do.


6 posted on 06/22/2007 3:49:48 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...

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7 posted on 06/22/2007 4:00:22 PM PDT by Coleus (God gave us the right to life & self preservation & a right to defend ourselves, family & property)
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To: flixxx

So, she is forced to do something against her moral code which entitles her to force the next man - a doctor who is trying to help her - to force him to do something against his moral code.

The only innocent here is the doctor.


8 posted on 06/22/2007 4:14:47 PM PDT by donna (They hand off my culture & citizenship to criminals & then call me racist for objecting?)
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To: flixxx
Vote: Should doctors be allowed to refuse care?

As in should they be able to refuse to fibrillate someone, or perform an appendectomy?

9 posted on 06/22/2007 4:23:30 PM PDT by Excellence (Three million years is enough! Stop cyclical climate change now!)
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To: LaineyDee; Dick Vomer

Without referencing a reported case, this story is only a hypothetical. A one-sided anecdote at best, or a lie just as likely.

MSNBC’s “Sabrina Rubin Erdely” presents a very unusual background to the reader as not only plausible, but unquestionable fact. She treats the story as both common and understandable - to be brutally raped without motive.

It is likely that key facts have been omitted from the victim’s story in order to evoke the highest emotions for her. One may feel slightly different to learn, if perhaps, she and her attacker were actually using heroin at the time.

I’m just speculating, but if Sabrina Erdely can publish demagogic stories without evidence, then it is perfectly right to question them.


10 posted on 06/22/2007 4:24:16 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: donna

I know it isn’t a perfect analogy, but what if I went to a vegetarian restaurant and asked for a hamburger and they refused to serve me... something about not having any hamburger in stock. Is the mere fact that the restaurant operator doesn’t believe in eating meat sufficient excuse to serve a perfectly lawful meal? Go to a restaurant that serves meat, you say? Interesting suggestion. Any application to the issue at hand?


11 posted on 06/22/2007 4:26:38 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Excellence
As in should they be able to refuse to ... perform an appendectomy?

Depends. Will the patient need a transfusion during the surgery?

12 posted on 06/22/2007 4:27:55 PM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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To: NCLaw441

They’ve decided that medical care is a Constitutional RIGHT. Remember, Hillary-care will force doctors to specialize in a field selected by the government, plus doctors will be forced to perform abortions during training.

Imagine if all doctors have Hillary’s moral standards!


14 posted on 06/22/2007 4:40:17 PM PDT by donna (They hand off my culture & citizenship to criminals & then call me racist for objecting?)
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To: Excellence

There’s quite a difference between prescribing medically unnecessary drugs and performing life-saving procedures.
She argues he refused to treat her, which is incorrect.


15 posted on 06/22/2007 4:40:59 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Dick Vomer

Get real. You talk like you think every female is born knowing about the proper dosage of regular birth control pills to effect emergency contraception or even has an existing prescription for birth control to do what you suggested. And believe me, in Pennsylvania it takes almost 10 months to get an appointment with an OB/GYN. Many have been driven out of practice or out of the state by insane malpractice insurance rates.

I’d give this story the benefit of the doubt on the birth control part, but not the comments about abortion.


16 posted on 06/22/2007 4:41:50 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: flixxx; Cacique; Coleus
In the last two cases described, the doctor (or the hospital policies) might have been wrong (the water-breaking case and the tubal pregnancy case). Of course these had to be lumped together with the others, where the woman's emotional vulnerability was the only issue.

MSNBC: They are all baddy, baddy Christians.

We are in for it, folks.

17 posted on 06/22/2007 4:46:38 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: flixxx

This smells like propaganda.


18 posted on 06/22/2007 4:54:11 PM PDT by July4
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To: NCLaw441

Here’s one for you:

Germany Forcing Unemployed Women into Legalized Prostitution

BERLIN, January 31, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - News agencies around the world are carrying the story of a young German woman, a qualified information technologist, who has been told that she faces suspension of her government relief benefits if she refuses to take a ‘job’ as a prostitute in a Berlin brothel. (snip)


19 posted on 06/22/2007 4:56:36 PM PDT by donna (They hand off my culture & citizenship to criminals & then call me racist for objecting?)
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To: visualops

As the Fonz would say, “Exactamundo!”
No one was denied care. The patient also had the right to request another doctor see her in the e.r.


20 posted on 06/22/2007 5:02:11 PM PDT by Excellence (Three million years is enough! Stop cyclical climate change now!)
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