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1 posted on 06/18/2007 8:38:15 PM PDT by Delacon
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Welcome to the failure of the globalists’ Utopian promise. Low prices on imported goods come with a price, just like low prices on imported labor.


2 posted on 06/18/2007 8:44:05 PM PDT by Nephi (Open borders is the flip side of the free trade coin. It's time for Protectionism.)
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A 1997 study by the National Academy of Sciences found virtually zero net benefit to the U.S. economy from immigration. Immigration yielded benefits, true--but also costs in the form of lower wages and higher social-welfare burdens...our local hospital provided about $5 million worth of emergency room care to those not covered by medical insurance last year, many of whom were immigrant farm workers in the local economy, and was reimbursed all of $200,000.00 by the state - a bit of an imbalance.....
3 posted on 06/18/2007 8:47:49 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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Competitiveness? How could the U.S. remain the world's most productive nation while simultaneously remixing its population to increase dramatically the proportion of poorly educated people within it?

I assume David Frum doesn't expect to be invited back to the white house.

4 posted on 06/18/2007 8:50:38 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


5 posted on 06/18/2007 8:59:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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"a social problem without discovering that immigration was aggravating"

Why cannot these columnist types say the word ILLEGAL?

7 posted on 06/18/2007 9:02:44 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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Its the COSTS of immigration that caused me to rething my position about ten years ago. I can see having an open border AGAIN if we didn’t have public schools, public hospitals, EBT cards, etc., but we do and they cause one hell of a budgetary strain.


8 posted on 06/18/2007 9:06:04 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico

I Like Ike.

The immigration giveaway

Take the Pledge: "I pledge to never, ever vote for anyone, for any office, who votes in favor of the Mexican Invasion Surrender Bill."

The penalty for being politically tone-deaf is death of one's political career. Amnesty for illegal immigrants--which means any path to any sort of permanent legal residency of any kind (let alone citizenship,) regardless of cost--is worse than the "third rail of politics." It's the Guillotine.

9 posted on 06/18/2007 9:13:49 PM PDT by sourcery (Double Feature: "The Amnestyville Horror" and "Kill the Bill, Vol. 2")
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You might think that a trauma like 9/11 would have prompted a major rethink of its immigration policies by the Bush administration. You would think wrong. While enforcement was tightened in certain concentrated areas, elsewhere it actually relaxed. Immigration from the Middle East reached an all-time peak in 2005.

Bush would crucify the nation upon the alter of open borders.

Neither the president nor his inner circle has ever cared to hear from dissenters on this issue. A hasty and careless economic calculus, a poorly considered political gamble, and self-righteous moral grandstanding have together pushed the president to the worst domestic political and policy error of his presidency.

Not a pretty picture of El Presidente and his circle of advisors.

It seems impossible that the immigration bill can succeed: A large majority of the American people claim to be following the immigration debate closely, and that majority opposes the immigration plan by a three-to-one majority. And when the bill collapses, it will take what little remains of the president's political capital with it. Did I say capital? No, that has long since been spent. It is his credit that he is now exhausting.

It will be worse for Bush personally if the bill succeeds. For which is a worse crime, to try to sell out your country to open-borders business interests and La Raza, or to actually succeed?

10 posted on 06/18/2007 9:15:12 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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The largest share of the benefits went to the immigrants themselves, and almost all of the rest to people at the top of society. Almost all of the costs were borne by people at the bottom.

Ah yes, that's what is called "compassionate conservatism."

12 posted on 06/18/2007 9:17:56 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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Yes, but politicians love uneducated, illiterate voters.


13 posted on 06/18/2007 9:19:01 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: mkjessup; mom4kittys; Sun; circumbendibus; gidget7; pissant; Ultra Sonic 007; Calpernia; ...

Must read!

[snips]

“The 9/11 hijackers would have been caught a dozen times over by a society that enforced its immigration rules.”

“While enforcement was tightened in certain concentrated areas, elsewhere it actually relaxed. Immigration from the Middle East reached an all-time peak in 2005.”

“Neither the president nor his inner circle has ever cared to hear from dissenters on this issue. A hasty and careless economic calculus, a poorly considered political gamble, and self-righteous moral grandstanding have together pushed the president to the worst domestic political and policy error of his presidency.”

“The backroom deal that produced this latest law epitomized decades of collusion between the two parties to suppress open discussion of this vital issue. This time, at last, the collusion failed. Democracy has erupted. I’m ready to make my voice heard. How about you?”


17 posted on 06/18/2007 9:34:52 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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Gotta love the lady who asks who would do her flower beds. I suppose she could try using the two hands God gifted her with and attempting manual labor like an average person? At very least, hire for more then min wage and plenty of people would be willing.

Good article. The first half is full of details of the effect of illegal immigration and his own experiences, the last paragraphs are must reads for the insight into the administration. And while I fully remain committed to the WOT, I doubt the admin’s committment everyday. from the signing of the al Quida Bill of Rights, to the refusal to stump for the war except during campaigns, to leaving our borders open while at the same time selling the Patriot Act. I support the the PA, i just find it amazing he can live a double life on these national security issues.

And, oh yes, they have colluded with each other. still are. They just never believe the public would finally catch up to them. i wished I shared frum’s belief it will fail, I’m fighting for just that, but the lords are doing their damnest to pretend we don’t exist all the while we can see their eye twitching with the stress.

Should it happen, Bush’s political capitol being gone? Good. if he wants to do something useful provided we kill this, VETO VETO VETO spending and start educating the public on the war. not to improve his legacy, but because it’s important. Other then that I want him doing nothing. It didn’t have to be this way, but he’s the one that chose Kennedy over us.


21 posted on 06/18/2007 9:53:29 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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"The largest share of the benefits went to the..people at the top of society. Almost all of the costs were borne by people at the bottom."

After six years of W's policies all, by chance, having similar social effects, it's not surprising to me that some people are starting to wonder about the sincerity of his "compassionate conservatism."

23 posted on 06/18/2007 10:12:50 PM PDT by Nova
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27 posted on 06/18/2007 10:18:22 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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In the late 1980s, a group of self-described "paleoconservatives" had congealed around the magazine Chronicles. For them, the great issue was not incomes, but race. They mixed their ferocious hostility to immigration with savage denunciations of the civil-rights movement of the 1960s--and, for that matter, the Union cause in the 1860s.

Huh?

This is the same as calling those who are against the current bill racist today. Twenty years from now he will write that it was a true fact.

35 posted on 06/18/2007 11:09:07 PM PDT by donna (They hand off my culture & citizenship to criminals & then call me racist for objecting?)
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“And this favorable balance was composed in a way that would normally disturb a rational policymaker: The largest share of the benefits went to the immigrants themselves, and almost all of the rest to people at the top of society. Almost all of the costs were borne by people at the bottom.”

Is there any surprise then that the elites favor immigration, and the masses of illegals favor it too, but the people are upset by the sham-nesty.


36 posted on 06/18/2007 11:20:20 PM PDT by WOSG (Stop Z-visa amnesty!! 202-224-3121.)
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WE NEED TO STOP THIS BILL - NOW!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1851892/posts?page=5


39 posted on 06/18/2007 11:28:18 PM PDT by WOSG (Stop Z-visa amnesty!! 202-224-3121.)
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Excellent!


40 posted on 06/18/2007 11:31:17 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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(( ping ))


41 posted on 06/18/2007 11:32:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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ping


42 posted on 06/18/2007 11:40:02 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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