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On The Fence: Are Illegal Immigrants Good or Bad For The U.S. Economy? (Eggheads weigh in)
Knowledge@Wharton ^ | June 13, 2007

Posted on 06/15/2007 12:05:47 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A clash of faiths in the U.S. Senate last week led to the collapse of the country's first major immigration reform bill in two decades. On one side were the pragmatists, backed by the Bush administration, who say the country needs to accept that its estimated 12 million illegal residents are likely here to stay, and it should offer them a path to citizenship. On the other side were the idealists, who say lawbreakers shouldn't be rewarded, and that doing so would only encourage more illegal immigration.

Although Democratic majority leader Harry Reid withdrew the bill, he left open the possibility that the Senate could reconsider it later in the year. President Bush, having just returned from the G8 Summit in Europe, made a rare appearance on Capitol Hill this week to encourage Republicans to back the proposal. Buried in the ongoing debate is the potential economic impact of a measure that could change the composition of America's workforce in significant ways. By cracking down on illegal immigration, the legislation could constrict the future supply of workers in industries like agriculture, construction and restaurants and hotels, especially in the fast-growing Sun Belt. Yet by moving to an evaluation formula for visas that weighs skills more heavily than family ties, it could provide more workers for such booming sectors as high tech and biotechnology. Even so, some high-tech companies have decried the bill for not providing enough annual visas for skilled workers: It would have capped the number at 200,000 a year.

"What troubles me about the legislation is that it is being marketed as if it does not involve any tradeoffs, that the move to employment-based criterion will be good for the economy and good for the country," says Wharton management professor Peter Cappelli. "In fact, it will create winners and losers. Whether one likes the legislation or not depends on how one feels about those winners and losers." Cappelli, who heads Wharton's Center for Human Resources, counts low-skilled U.S. workers, especially African-American men, among the potential losers.

Research by George Borjas, an economist at Harvard University, has found that, nationwide, the influx of low-skilled immigrant workers from 1960 through 2000 depressed wages and boosted unemployment among comparably skilled African-American males. Cappelli also argues that supporters of the bill have misrepresented the state of the country's workforce in their efforts to secure its passage. Some proponents, for example, have said that enabling the 12 million existing illegal workers to remain in the United States will safeguard the size of the country's labor force. This is particularly important as Baby Boomers retire, and active workers have to shoulder such hefty costs as their Medicare expenses.

"Both the administration and other supporters of the legislation have asserted that there is a shortage of workers in the economy because the workforce is shrinking," Cappelli says. "This is patently false. The fact that wages have not been rising in real terms -- indeed, in most of the past generation they have been falling for all but the very top jobs -- makes it impossible to believe that we even have tight labor markets." Framing the debate in terms of labor shortages just distracts attention from the issue of wages, he argues. "If we expand the supply of workers through immigration, employers don't have to pay as much to find workers nor provide the other terms and conditions that make jobs attractive."

And the people hurt by such a move tend to be those least likely to have a voice in the political process -- the poor and uneducated. Cappelli speculates that the debate might play out differently if proponents were discussing a massive increase in the number of immigrant "doctors, technicians and managers."

Jobs in the Suburbs

Bernard Anderson, practice professor of management at Wharton, isn't worried about the economic implications of immigration reform, mainly because he sees it having little long-term effect. For one thing, many of the illegal workers already in the United States are likely to remain, regardless of whether they are offered a path to citizenship. "It's not humanly possible to round up and deport 12 million people," says Anderson, who served as an assistant secretary in the U.S. Labor Department during the Clinton administration. "You hear conservatives rail against amnesty, but not once did I hear them come up with a solution to the 12 million people who are already here." He also suspects that neither these workers nor future immigrant workers to the United States will crowd native workers out of jobs or put pressure on their wages. Two-thirds of illegal workers are concentrated in four industries: farming; personal service; food preparation, hospitality and tourism; and construction. In those industries, he says, immigrants are either filling job vacancies that would otherwise exist, or they are part of what labor economists called "noncompeting groups."

Consider the construction sector in Philadelphia. "You don't have illegal immigrants constructing high rises in Center City," Anderson says. Instead, those jobs tend to be filled by native-born steelworkers and tradesmen who belong to the city's unions. "But if you go out into the suburbs, into the residential housing developments, much of that type of construction is done by illegal immigrants. Whose jobs did they take? They didn't take anybody's jobs because other workers simply weren't available to do that work."

High-tech Migration

One provision of the proposed reform does worry Anderson: the move from a family-based to a skills-based formula for evaluating visa applicants. That sort of setup has caused problems elsewhere, he points out. In South Africa, for example, men were recruited from other African countries to work as miners and were admitted to the country without their families. "There are all kinds of bad social conditions created by that policy," he notes, including "a tendency to develop a social and economic underclass."

Justin Wolfers, a Wharton professor of business and public policy, also sees potential problems with the push for reform, though for different reasons. He wonders if the focus on border enforcement and tighter restrictions on visas could hurt American competitiveness by impeding the relatively free flow of workers, whatever their skill levels, into the country. "Economists generally think that free trade in goods is good for both sides," he points out. "Allowing people to cross borders relatively freely may also be helpful. If we restricted that, it could cause economic harm."

Economic strength often stems from happy accidents of history, like Silicon Valley springing up in California's San Francisco Bay area. Initially, the Valley came into being because Stanford University encouraged technology commercialization and California was a pleasant place to live. Today, the region draws skilled workers from around the world because it is viewed as an international high-tech center -- in other words, because techies want to be near other techies, even if it means sitting in the region's now notorious traffic jams.

But this gathering of skilled workers can prove ephemeral. If legislation were to restrict the flow of computer programmers, tech companies could easily migrate to Bangalore or Tel Aviv, which could end up being tomorrow's Silicon Valleys. "In this country, the universities at the top end are arguably a big source of competitive advantage, and that [advantage] could go abroad very quickly," Wolfers notes. "The German system was the best in the world before World War II, and that changed very quickly."

Good Lab Results

In general, immigrant workers tend to seek out booming cities like Las Vegas, Phoenix and Charlotte, N.C., not places like Detroit and Cleveland that are struggling with unemployment. But the effects of these workers on cities are hard to measure: The changes come gradually, and because some of some of the workers are illegal, data can be unreliable.

But David Card, a labor economist at the University of California at Berkeley, realized that one Sun Belt city, Miami, offered an ideal natural laboratory for studying the effects of immigration. Miami has long been a haven for immigrant workers, both legal and not. Many immigrants to the city, especially low-skilled workers, tend to come from Latin America. Spanish is spoken widely.

What caught Card's attention wasn't Miami's cultural diversity. Rather, it was a one-time shock to the city's labor market -- the so-called "Mariel boatlift" in 1980, when about 125,000 Cuban refugees arrived over about three months. Approximately half of the "Marielitos" remained in the city, increasing the workforce by 7%. Many of the immigrants came with limited English and few job skills, so their impact on the low-skill portion of the market was even greater.

Yet in a paper published in 1990, Card found virtually no effect on the wages or unemployment rate of comparable Miami workers over the period stretching through 1985. Unemployment did rise in Miami over the five-year period, but it rose similarly in four metropolitan areas without an influx of new workers -- Atlanta, Los Angeles, Houston and Tampa-St. Petersburg. In other words, the Marielitos didn't cause the rise in joblessness. How is this possible? Card hypothesized that, thanks to two prior decades of Latin immigration, Miami had ample infrastructure for easing the employment transition for non-English speakers, and the city's robust economy provided plenty of opportunities for work.

Card's subsequent research has confirmed his Mariel findings. For that reason, he's skeptical of politicians' stated desire to reform the country's immigration laws to protect American workers. "A lot of people opposed to immigration are [conservative] and haven't been in favor of programs to retool low-skilled natives," he points out. "Their fundamental concern is about American culture becoming dominated by less-skilled Latinos."

Politicians in border states like Texas and Arizona point to the social costs of coping with illegal immigrants -- like uninsured emergency-room visits and additional police enforcement -- yet these same politicians have plenty of constituents who benefit from the ready supply of cheap, low-skilled laborers, Card argues. "But no one can get up and say we want to increase the number of low-skilled people in the U.S. so [that we can] have low-priced taxi drivers, construction workers and people to work in restaurants and daycare."

Wharton's Anderson goes even further, arguing that, on balance, illegal immigrants contribute far more to the U.S. economy than they take. "Their employers pay Social Security taxes for all of them," though they don't receive benefits, he points out. "When they buy goods and services, they are paying sales taxes. Some of them have purchased homes and pay property taxes. And they are not people who are coming here to be on welfare. They are coming here to work."


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This is an ivory tower university view of illegal immigration. Is anyone here amazed?! Now we're both "idealists" and "nativists"! Wow!!
1 posted on 06/15/2007 12:05:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Regardless if illegals are good or bad. This congress has a NO CONFIDENCE vote from me.

Bush Jr lost his chance for the high road when he did nothing for our border guards that were sent to prison because they did their job. He is the continuance of this problem and it equates to an embezzler being in charge of payroll because he has another idea. His and the Congress ideas have gotten this country in this mess and they have lost the right to fix their problem. THE ONLY THING I AGREE TO IS “FIX” THE FENCE and stop illegal immigration. We will not talk about legalization until this is COMPLETE. period, end of sentence.

Anyone who applies logic and makes the move to open their eyes will see what is happening. Trust that god will bring everything to light that is hidden, He’s doing his part and those around us are not. These mental giants are going to one day realize how minimized they have become.

People better unite on one platform, a constitutional one before the final bell rings.

I have a vote of NO CONFIDENCE for our current congress and vote that no immigration be discussed until the border is secure. Illegals stay illegal.... NO CONFIDENCE


2 posted on 06/15/2007 12:11:02 AM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: GoreNoMore

Just say NO to Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

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3 posted on 06/15/2007 12:15:44 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is not over yet. Bush refuses to give up this easily. It's his stubborn character. As I predicted he would try to resurrect it and call it something else. We have to keep our guard up. We need to keep the pressure up. We have no choice but to fight. The oligarchy wants cheap labor and a destruction of the middle class and the millionaire democrats want votes they can count on. A marriage made in HELL.

STAGE TWO is to go after the people who hire illegals. Start giving them fines and arresting them. Just catch ten or 100 of them on the nightly news. The magnet will dry up and most of the 12 million will go home by themselves.

As an addendum, we should anonymously call the IRS, people working "off the books" means taxes ain't being paid. Make anonymous fliers and hang them around the neighborhood, name names. It's time to embarrass these bustards, whether they give to the GOP or Rats, we don't need them.

CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

4 posted on 06/15/2007 12:20:24 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’re the realists. The reality is that we are being overrun economically, demagraphically and politically, and the the rule of law and the sovereignty of our territory and our people has been severely compromised.


5 posted on 06/15/2007 12:23:57 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("You will have your bipartisanship." - Fred Thompson, May 4, 2007)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These idiots think illegals aren’t using free social services. What?!


6 posted on 06/15/2007 12:33:18 AM PDT by TheThinker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Their employers pay Social Security taxes for all of them,” though they don’t receive benefits, he points out.

Well, doh, they’ll get the SS benefits with the Z-Visa, at least in theory before the entire system’s bankrupted. Then Congress will probably keep it as a program for non-citizens.


7 posted on 06/15/2007 12:38:37 AM PDT by Baladas
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To: EternalVigilance

All this wide eyed enthusiasm for illegals just sweeps all problems under the rug. That’s one problem with the statisticians in DC. They never relate to real people, anymore.


8 posted on 06/15/2007 12:40:48 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I didn’t read the article, but just wait until our next economic slow down. Our welfare and unemployment systems will be totally over burdened with an additional 12-24 million receptients. Ouch!


9 posted on 06/15/2007 12:42:19 AM PDT by raisincane (Dims think we're all oblivious to the obvious)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Wharton's Anderson goes even further, arguing that, on balance, illegal immigrants contribute far more to the U.S. economy than they take. "Their employers pay Social Security taxes for all of them,"...

So, the whole premise is based on a lie.

I think it's garbage.

10 posted on 06/15/2007 2:35:48 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mexico should not be determining our immigration policies. If we really need “guest workers”, which I doubt, then the border with Mexico should be sealed, and a point of debarkation should be set up offshore so that all south/central Americans have an equal shot at it and not just Mexicans, and there should be no wives or kids, just the workers, no “anchor babies”, and the companies or individuals using the guest labor should pay every penny of the costs including medical. Right now they’re all getting free rides.


11 posted on 06/15/2007 2:41:18 AM PDT by rickdylan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Many people thought slavery was good for the economy. Apparently some still do.


12 posted on 06/15/2007 5:16:02 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62
Those who truly exploit labor always have.

The abuses of 1880s businessmen led to the workers forming unions and the rise of socialist politics;when you are daily being cheated and held down,any alternative begins to look good.

Everyone who employs illegal aliens is a criminal by choice.These employers cheat the workers ,and cheat the rest of us by illegaly depressing wages,plust taxes are not paid (how could you report taxes paid on behalf of illegals?.

The businesses who employ illegals are selling out the nation for short-term profits.

13 posted on 06/15/2007 5:29:06 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Anderson says...
Instead, those jobs tend to be filled by native-born steelworkers and tradesmen who belong to the city's unions. "But if you go out into the suburbs, into the residential housing developments, much of that type of construction is done by illegal immigrants. Whose jobs did they take? They didn't take anybody's jobs because other workers simply weren't available to do that work."

Build it and they will come!

Wharton's Anderson goes even further, arguing that, on balance, illegal immigrants contribute far more to the U.S. economy than they take. "Their employers pay Social Security taxes for all of them," though they don't receive benefits, he points out.
I'm sure, on phony SS numbers? I would expect that most get paid under the table, in cash - no bother with taxes.

That should be enough to convince anyone of the papacy of thought Anderson offers on this subject.

14 posted on 06/15/2007 6:28:23 AM PDT by GregoryFul (how'd that get there?)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


15 posted on 06/15/2007 9:03:49 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Leprosy, plague, polio and drug-resistant TB have no cost?

How about one third of violent crimes and one quarter of traffic fatalities?

The death of the family breadwinner has no economic affect?

This analysis is worthless.


16 posted on 06/15/2007 9:08:42 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: GregoryFul

What a pantload that quote is, the illegals strted invading the commercial construction field in the late 1980s and drove the legitimate contractors and employees out of the business.

I had to close my 56 year old construction co. or hire illegals for cash as did a lot of other people that I know.


17 posted on 06/15/2007 9:26:27 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
... The fact that wages have not been rising in real terms -- indeed, in most of the past generation they have been falling for all but the very top jobs -- makes it impossible to believe that we even have tight labor markets." Framing the debate in terms of labor shortages just distracts attention from the issue of wages, he argues. "If we expand the supply of workers through immigration, employers don't have to pay as much to find workers nor provide the other terms and conditions that make jobs attractive."

DING!! DING!! DING!!! A nugget of truth in this article.

18 posted on 06/15/2007 5:00:57 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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