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1 posted on 06/12/2007 4:23:31 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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100 posted on 06/12/2007 8:01:43 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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"This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

This guy has probably never seen a gun.

I believe that we should have mandatory 2 year service of all able bodied citizens where they would learn respect for weapons and their country.

They would have to volunteer for overseas service but could serve in this country with coast guard, border guard, or other civil services.

101 posted on 06/12/2007 8:03:47 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Where do we go from here?)
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Over our dead bodies will they repeal the Second Amendment. The loony gun grabbers will have to pry our guns from our cold, dead hands. MOLON LABE!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

102 posted on 06/12/2007 8:04:52 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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I will at least give this guy credit for honesty, which is more than I can say for the Bradys, Feinstein, Schumer, Lautenberg, Nutso McCarthy and the rest of the hoplophobic blissninnies and would-be tyrants.

That being said, I would ask Mr. Wittes to COME AND GET THEM - yourself: http://www.moviesonline.ca/TheFeed/index.php?id=300-laydownyourweapons


103 posted on 06/12/2007 8:05:29 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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The basic disconnect here is the idea that the Bill of Rights grants these rights. It does no such thing. The Bill of Rights is a restraint on government taking away rights recognized as rights by natural or divine right.

The Bill of Rights forbids the government to attempt to deny these rights to the people. In fact, the entire body of Amendments to the Constitution are a restraint on the power of government over the people. A few of the Amendments define more clearly proper procedure, but the bulk are restraint of government power over the citizenry.

The first ten amendments are exactly that, and any attempt by government to set them aside should be viewed as an attack on the rights of the people. The Bill of Rights is, and should ever be, inviolate.

104 posted on 06/12/2007 8:07:26 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Faith is the evidence of God's Predestination, not the cause of it....)
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Gotta salute him for his honesty!

But gotta deport him for his treason.


105 posted on 06/12/2007 8:24:07 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To get a very clear idea of “intent” of the second amendment...all one has to do is to read various state Constitutions. There will be no misinterpretation of what the second amendment means.
106 posted on 06/12/2007 8:28:01 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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We’ve screwed up just about everything else in this country, we might as well start ‘fixing’ the constitution also./sarc
107 posted on 06/12/2007 8:45:31 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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WOW, what a ‘gift’ from the anti-gun/anti-freedom nuts! This is almost as good as when an Imam says “no, no matter what you do, we will keep trying to kill you until you surrender to Islam and become our slaves”.

Where to take this useful idiot’s positions apart first....

1. Can one of the Amendments in the BOR be canceled? Was not the whole point of the BOR that these freedoms MUST be guaranteed?

2. If the 2nd Amendment is repealed, where will the repealing stop? The 1st Amendment is already infringed concerning Christians. Maybe the socialists will repeal it also and have state run media, a state ‘religion’ (or the “State” as “religion”), tear down churches, shut down the Internet/radio/TV (hey, it’s the “fairness Doctrine”!) and stifle ALL dissent. But then, the leftists “Question Authority” bumper sticker only means to ‘question’ when the left is out of power. Questioning leftist ‘authority’ usually gets one audited by the IRS or “investigated” by the FBI.

But why stop there? Why not repeal the 5th Amendment? Why not force people to testify against themselves (unless they are leftists of course)? Oh, and let us take out that pesky “cruel and unusual punishment’ part too. While we are at it, why not repeal ALL the Amendments? After all, women voting ‘offends’ the Islamics, and the left tells us that we are mean and cruel to ‘offend’ these monsters so let’s get rid of women’s suffrage. Heck, why stop there?

And who would stop the government from just repealing Amendments and outlawing natural rights? Without the 2nd Amendment, NO ONE could. Which brings me to #3.

3. One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government,” Wittes said. “This is something we don’t really believe as a society anymore.”

He does not get out much does he. Others have already taken this obvious deceit and torn it to pieces. What the left/socialists/fascists/Islamists fear IS an Armed People. It really puts a bummer on their totalitarian schemes.

4. Barnett recommended that gun control advocates “not favor methods of interpretation [to criticize the legitimacy of the Second Amendment] that you wouldn’t want to put in the hands of political opponents.”

The leftists caught projecting again. Akin to the "Bush Police State" charge. The left practices police state tactics, but claims others want use it. I do not know Barnett's politics, I am just speaking to the point he brings up. The left’s lust for power and unfounded sense of moral supremacy leads them to believe that they will NEVER do any ‘wrong’ and if wrong happens then it is for the “Greater Good (tm)”. Just like Stalin’s purges, Mao’s Cultural Revolution, and Hitler’s “solutions”. 200 million plus people have died for the left’s “Greater Good (tm)”.

The 2nd Amendment gives us the opportunity to ensure this NEVER happens in the USA.

108 posted on 06/12/2007 8:51:13 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

Obviously this statement may be countered by:

This is something we believe is necessary for the continuation of America.

109 posted on 06/12/2007 8:55:11 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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Well I certainly believe it. I hope to be a gun owner in the not-too-distant future, and this is absolutely outrageous. Anybody dares to try to repeal the Second Amendment, and there will be a massive armed militia outside that person's home, demanding them to step down from government altogether, or probably face an attack on their office.
110 posted on 06/12/2007 8:59:08 AM PDT by wastedyears (Check my profile for links to anti-illegal immigration T-shirts.)
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"Rather than debating the meaning of the Second Amendment, I think the appropriate debate is whether we want a Second Amendment," Wittes said.

Oh, believe me, this country wants this amendment! I would LOVE to see these idiots try to take it away! They won't know what hit them...

112 posted on 06/12/2007 9:05:58 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) 9/11: Many of us REFUSE to Forget!!)
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Actually, I kind of agree with everything he says on this portion of the post. I don’t necessarily agree with how he got to these statements, but I think he inadvertently hits on a couple of things that are essentially correct.

Namely, that the public is no longer concerned with individual liberty and freedom and that we should just attempt a repeal of the RKBA rather than backdoor prohibition.


114 posted on 06/12/2007 9:17:47 AM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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This guy is typical of liberals, like AlGore, who believe in judicial activism, and propose that the US Constitution "should be a living document". That is, they believe that they should be able to modify the Constitution at whim to legalize gay marriage, criminalize thought and words as "hate crimes" and seize privately owned guns and ammunition so that militias couldn't be formed to challenge the excesses of government under such liberal regimes.

The founding fathers wisely included the first ten amendments to the US Constitution to protect citizens from government officials who would usurp and deny them their freedoms, and this guy should be widely proclaimed to be the fool that he is.

119 posted on 06/12/2007 9:23:30 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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120 posted on 06/12/2007 9:24:53 AM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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Wittes, who said he has "no particular enthusiasm for the idea of a gun culture," said that rather than try to limit gun ownership through regulation that potentially violates the Second Amendment, opponents of gun ownership should set their sights on repealing the amendment altogether.

This is an honest Liberal idea. I actually like it. Of course I think it would fail miserably, at least it would be intellectually honest.

121 posted on 06/12/2007 9:26:14 AM PDT by Paradox (In the final analysis, its mostly a team sport, Principles cast off like yesterdays free agents.)
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Wittes said the Second Amendment guarantee of the right to bear arms meant more when it was crafted more than 200 years ago than it does today.

Opinions are like... Well we all know.

Modern society is "much more ambivalent than they [the founders] were about whether gun ownership really is fundamental to liberty," he said.

Modern society can be as ambivalent as it wants, that doesn't give the moderns the right to infringe my rights.

Oh, I forgot this is 21st century America where 50.1% of the voters can tell the other 49.9% what to eat, drink, smoke, what trees can be cut on one's own property, etc., etc., etc.

123 posted on 06/12/2007 9:29:43 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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As long as there is the continued breeding of the Liberal Plantation, I will need my gun.

Exhibit A: I live in Houston, TX around two temporary section 8 apartments for the Katrina evacuees. These lazy good for nothing bums are raping, robbing, and murdering... and are the product of the Liberal Plantation of New Orleans.

132 posted on 06/12/2007 10:18:04 AM PDT by avacado
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If they did repeal it, it would work as well as Prohibition.


133 posted on 06/12/2007 10:47:30 AM PDT by hattend ("Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." - John Wayne)
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“opponents of gun ownership should set their sights”

What a strange choice of words for an anti-gun guy, one wonders if he has a secret.

134 posted on 06/12/2007 10:53:30 AM PDT by pepperdog
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