Climate alarmists lose another piece of evidence

enterstageright ^ | 6/11/2007 | Dennis T. Avery

[Robert A Cook PE]

We welcome all abstracts exploring new perspectives on the chronology, stratigraphic succession and potential interconnections between a wide-range of processes that appear to have been associated with the Younger Dryas Episode. These include abrupt climatic change, ice-sheet deglaciation, flood-water rerouting, surficial geology, iceberg discharge, ocean reorganization including thermohaline circulation, and sea-level change. Also critical is the timing and nature of major extinction, Paleolithic cultural succession and impact-related phenomena.

Notice that he is actually INVITING criticism and debate on this thesis? Instead of warning that those who disagree should be fired as reactionary extremists.

[Cyber Liberty]

Bush lied, Mastadons died.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Actually, today’s warming is not only a bit “slower” (flatter-topped) curve than the previous very sharp rise and fall from the highest temperatures.

Today’s “peak” (if it IS the maximum temperature) is also not as high as previous peak temperatures: Today’s temperatures are 1/2 of 1 degree “above 0 deg C”, and the past peak temperatures average +2.5 degrees above today’s temperatures.

So we’ve got some more heating up to do: even if the peak is close.

[samtheman]

But this is all obsoleted by the fact that Ben & Jerry have decided that GW is caused by cows belching as they chew their cud.

(I’m not making this up. You can’t make this stuff up.)

[gondramB]

If global warming turns out not to be caused by humans its gonna be worse, not better. If we didn’t start it then we likely cannot stop it by reasonable means.

Fortunately there are unreasonable means available if it comes to that. And fortunately its happening much slower than Al Gore would have us believe.

[RKV]

I stand mildly corrected.

Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1992). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 22 billion tonnes per year (24 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 1998) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2.]. [note: and that's a current levels, not for all of history] http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070603200314AAuwnT2&show=7

Remember folks, that's an average. And volcanoes have been around a lot longer than humans have. Therefore, volcanoes have put more CO2 into the atmosphere than humans have in the course of the life of the planet. The earth is approximately 4.7 billion years old (4,700,000,000) and humans have been here for 200,000 years according to best current science. I'll spare you the math of that calculation, and will admit to having no better data available than to straightline the estimate, but it does work out.

The details matter and that is my correction.

[dead]

If global warming turns out not to be caused by humans its gonna be worse, not better. If we didn’t start it then we likely cannot stop it by reasonable means. Fortunately there are unreasonable means available if it comes to that.

Or we just accept it as a natural occurance like rain, drought, snow, earthquakes and tsunami and make the individual adjustments required (like move a few miles inland, over the course of many generations, as the water levels rise.)

Weather happens, whether we like it or not.

[colorado tanker]

I recently watched the Star Trek episode where aliens take out Spock’s brain and McCoy puts it back in, but I had forgotten why they were underground. The planet was going into an ice age. The men stayed on the surface but sent the women subterranean with a supercomputer. As advanced as we are technologically, I wonder how we’d fare through another ice age?

[gondramB]

>> Or we just accept it as a natural occurance like rain, drought, snow, earthquakes and tsunami and make the individual adjustments required (like move a few miles inland, over the course of many generations, as the water levels rise.)

Weather happens, whether we like it or not.<<

It depends on how hot it gets and how much the seas rise and what the effects are on the weather. At some point it may become preferable to invoke a mild nuclear winter.

The Greens will love that.

[George - the Other]

This is not to say that we should not be concerned about environment or pollution, but the global warming hysteria diverts attention from what might be vital issues in the future, like the planet’s ever growing population.

gfs

[BenLurkin]

bump!

[blam]

" As advanced as we are technologically, I wonder how we’d fare through another ice age?"

Some of the places you'd think would be safe/warm, wouldn't be. Ice Ages are very, very dry. Starvation would kill most.

[colorado tanker]

I think you're right. The arable land would decrease so drastically the population couldn't be sustained. And things would likely get very nasty as Europeans and North Americans tried to move south.

Give me global warming over global cooling any day.

[SteamShovel]

The Carbon dioxide levels aren’t actually a natural regulatory mechanism that helps maintain the the planet’s equilibrium and if we continue to mess with it we will upset the balance in the the exact opposite to the original intended consequence?

My exact thoughts when I hear some of these crackpot alarmist action plans to deal with affecting a reverse in warming, such as filling the upper atmosphere with reflectors and mega-scale machines built to remove CO2 from the atmosphere and put it in the earth.

These people are nuts.

[blam]

"And things would likely get very nasty as Europeans and North Americans tried to move south."

I'd take my guns and ammo and move into the ice (or, close to it)...maybe my Sa'ami genes would give me an advantage, lol.

[Reform Canada]

ping

[SunkenCiv]

Depends on what actually brings them about... :’)

[cogitator]

bump for later comment

[syriacus]

Very, very interesting. Thanks for posting this.

[AFPhys]

This was a major discovery, and a huge chink in the alarmist’s modeling. Of course, they won’t care - they’ll explain this away just as adeptly as they attempt to explain away the other planets’ (especially Mars) warming, the extremely high correlation of the Sun, the global cooling alarmist of the 1970s, and their blythe ignorance of the effects of temperature change inertia, statistics, and measurement errors.