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Lessons of Waco, Ruby Ridge applied at Plainfield (Ed Brown)
New Hampshire Union Leader ^ | 6/10/07 | Kathryn Marchocki

Posted on 06/11/2007 6:38:05 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg

Despite the massive show of force authorities displayed last week when they seized the West Lebanon property of convicted tax evaders Edward and Elaine Brown, the avoidance of confrontation with the couple at their Plainfield home suggests law enforcement agencies have learned from mistakes made during earlier federal standoffs at Waco and Ruby Ridge, an expert who tracks militia and radical right-wing movements said.

U.S. marshals in New Hampshire appear to be pursuing tactics similar to those used in Montana in 1996, when federal agents successfully negotiated the peaceful surrender of the Montana Freeman after an 81-day standoff, said Mark Potok, director of the intelligence project at the Southern Poverty Law Center.

"This was the lesson of Ruby Ridge and Waco. Those two standoffs not only left a great many dead people in their wake, but also helped create the militia movement," Potok said.

The 51-day standoff in 1993 between federal agents and the Branch Davidians at their compound near Waco, Texas, ended in a fire that left 74 people dead. Four federal agents were killed in an earlier shootout with the Davidians.

In 1992, a confrontation between federal agents and white separatist Randy Weaver in northern Idaho's Ruby Ridge resulted in the deaths of one federal agent and two members of Weaver's family.

"It's very easy to see one of these situations escalate into mass killings, and that, in turn, can set off very large and dangerous political movements," said Potok, who reported on the Waco siege for USA Today and now tracks radical right and militia groups for the law center based in Montgomery, Ala.

Potok said Stephen Monier, the U.S. marshal in New Hampshire, has carefully avoided creating a standoff with the Browns while attempting to convince the couple to surrender.

"That seems like a good tactic," he said.

Potok said the dozens of armed federal and state officials who rolled into Lebanon Thursday and set up surveillance at the end of the long driveway leading to the Browns' rural home in nearby Plainfield was not an overreaction, given Edward Brown's repeated threats to use force against authorities attempting to serve the couple with arrest warrants issued at their sentencing in April.

"If you were law enforcement and you were going to approach the Browns' house, you are completely within your right to be ready for anything," Potok said. "The man has repeatedly threatened violence and he has some friends who apparently agree with him."

Monier said he had to take into account the history of the Browns' case when he executed a federal court order to enter the West Lebanon property where Elaine Brown ran her dental practice.

Ed Brown has threatened violence against law enforcement, owns weapons, and said he would die defending himself and his property, Monier said. Brown also has had a number of supporters -- some armed -- at his home.

"We needed to have some real-time information about what was going on there and who might be leaving there when we were also in Lebanon," Monier said of the surveillance teams set up at the driveway of the Browns' house Thursday morning. "We had no intention of storming the house."

Monier refused to discuss tactical details but said the overwhelming presence of state and federal officers -- which included SWAT teams, and military and explosives vehicles -- was necessary to ensure the safety of the officers and the public.

A federal jury convicted the Browns in January of plotting to hide their income and avoid federal income taxes on Elaine Brown's income of $1.9 million between 1996 and 2003. The jury found they used $215,890 in postal money orders in amounts just below the tax-reporting threshhold to pay for their residence and Elaine Brown's Lebanon dental office.

A judge sentenced the couple in abstentia to 63 months in federal prison and ordered them to forfeit the $215,890 to the federal government.

The court issued a preliminary order of forfeiture on both properties in February. This week the court issued a writ of entry on the Lebanon property only, a high-ranking official with the U.S. Attorney's office said. The official would not comment on whether an order is forthcoming to enter the Plainfield property.

The Lebanon property was secured and posted Thursday.

"It was rendered safe and there were no hazardous materials," Monier said, adding that reports of the dental office at Half Hollow Courtyard holding a network of underground tunnels and a bunker are unfounded.

"That's another of those Internet legends," Monier said, referring to the Browns' heavy reliance on the Web to get their message out.

Federal authorities now would need to obtain a final order of forfeiture from the court to take ownership of the Lebanon property and use it to satisfy the forfeiture order, the federal source said. He said he did not know if the property is sufficient to meet the $215,890 judgment.

Monier still has to serve the Browns with arrest warrants that would immediately send them to prison to begin serving their 63-month sentences.

"We've said all along that we're going to be deliberate, patient and calm in our approach to this," Monier said of his efforts to persuade the Browns to surrender peacefully.

"We have no desire to see any harm come to the Browns," he added.

Potok said this is a reasonable approach and one that has proven successful in other standoffs that lasted months and, in some cases, years. He pointed to an ongoing standoff between a Texas man and sheriff's deputies that has gone on five years.

"If this is what this means, that the Browns will be locked up inside their house for the next three years or five years . . . that's punishment all by itself," Potok said.

"The problem is that that is expensive" for law enforcement charged with monitoring these situations and executing court orders as they did Thursday, he said.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: edbrown; lessons; leviathan; newhampshire; taxes
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Welcome to your kinder, friendlier FedGov. It will no longer send tanks to your home for not giving it your time and money or for holding weird views. It will merely send armed, camouflaged agents to attack and threaten your friends and lay siege to your property.

But supporting such behavior isn't Socialist or wrong in any way, of course. Only Democrats support Socialism and things that are wrong. Everyone knows that. Republicans just want people taxed by a massive collective Leviathan and hate people that don't submit to this utterly anti-capitalist, anti-market, anti-liberty scheme because, well, "that's the American way" or "the law is the law" or some other mindlessness...

WWJD? Why he'd arm himself and others with machine guns and threaten to kill harmless people for not giving his mob their time and money, of course.

1 posted on 06/11/2007 6:38:08 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg
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To: Texas_Dawg
Southern Poverty Law Center.

Why is he "tracking" supposed right-wing groups?

2 posted on 06/11/2007 6:51:59 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Fido969

Why can’t they just be treated like Illegal Aliens?


3 posted on 06/11/2007 6:54:18 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Get real. This guy's a loon. He and his wife hid nearly $2 million in income so they wouldn't have to pay taxes. They have been sentenced to 5+ years in prison, and they've threatened anyone who tries to come arrest them. They're blaming the whole thing on some Free Mason conspiracy.

These folks are nuts. Trying to argue that the government can't use force to arrest them just increases the likelihood of more nuts arming themselves and saying you can't arrest them to serve the prison time they justly deserve.
4 posted on 06/11/2007 6:55:56 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: Texas_Dawg

Just shut off the power, water, and internet access. Let them die of thirst and boredom in the dark.


5 posted on 06/11/2007 6:58:26 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("You just killed a helicopter with a car!" "I know. I was out of bullets.")
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To: CholeraJoe

They have their own well and generators. And you can’t cut off Net access without cutting off cellular access (which the “gubmint” won’t do for that large an area.)


6 posted on 06/11/2007 7:01:01 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Fido969
Southern Poverty Law Center

Why is he "tracking" supposed right-wing groups?

SPLC is probably tracking FreeRepublic, as well. It is one of the most dangerous left-wing organizations in America.

As soon as I saw "SPLC" in the article, I stopped reading. Might as well be reading Marx himself....

- John

7 posted on 06/11/2007 7:04:25 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: Texas_Dawg
Mark Potok, director of the intelligence project at the Southern Poverty Law Center.

I want to know when we get to do a SWAT raid on that pack of Marxist, anti-American, violence-inciting loons.

8 posted on 06/11/2007 7:08:15 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Fishrrman

Run by the pedophile Morris Dees.


9 posted on 06/11/2007 7:10:14 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (A)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Ed Brown has threatened violence against law enforcement, owns weapons, and said he would die defending himself and his property...

Owns weapons, oh my God, will defend his property, good God in heaven, where does this guy think he is, the USA? "Comrade, comrade, comrade, don't you know this is now the USSA?" "Surrender now and we promise you a fair trail..."

10 posted on 06/11/2007 7:17:41 AM PDT by wearearepublic
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To: Fido969

The SPLC has a long history of tracking anti-government groups on the grounds they are all just secret racists.

It doesn’t hurt that tracking them seems to help them raise more money because people who aren’t convinced there is a racist conspiracy can be convinced that another Oklahoma City is just waiting to happen.


11 posted on 06/11/2007 7:18:22 AM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Dick Bachert
Run by the pedophile Morris Dees. Do you have evidence? I've never heard such a thing.
12 posted on 06/11/2007 7:19:36 AM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Texas_Dawg
Those two standoffs not only left a great many dead people in their wake, but also helped create the militia movement," Potok said.
Create? I don't think so.
13 posted on 06/11/2007 7:20:58 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Ed Brown has threatened violence against law enforcement, owns weapons, and said he would die defending himself and his property...

Owns weapons, oh my God, will defend his property, good God in heaven, where does this guy think he is, the USA? "Comrade, comrade, comrade, don't you know this is now the USSA?" "Surrender now and we promise you a fair trail..."

"Comrade, Remember, you can trust us..."

14 posted on 06/11/2007 7:22:11 AM PDT by wearearepublic
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To: TexasAg1996

Get real. This guy’s a loon. He and his wife hid nearly $2 million in income so they wouldn’t have to pay taxes. They have been sentenced to 5+ years in prison, and they’ve threatened anyone who tries to come arrest them. They’re blaming the whole thing on some Free Mason conspiracy.

These folks are nuts. Trying to argue that the government can’t use force to arrest them just increases the likelihood of more nuts arming themselves and saying you can’t arrest them to serve the prison time they justly deserve.

Exactly.


15 posted on 06/11/2007 7:27:21 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: OCCASparky
And you can’t cut off Net access without cutting off cellular access (which the “gubmint” won’t do for that large an area.)

You most certainly can.

Shutting off a single Net user and/or cell phone is a piece of cake. All it would take is a court order to the providers. Technically speaking, it's simple.

16 posted on 06/11/2007 7:28:24 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: wearearepublic

They already had a fair trial. They were found guilty, and sentences to over 60 months in prison.


17 posted on 06/11/2007 7:28:28 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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I absolutely hate taxes but those that say that we don't have to pay any are KOOKS! Maybe the kooks can any explain why our Founding Fathers put this little phrase in Article I of the Constitution:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,..

They must have been a bunch of commies. /sarcasm

18 posted on 06/11/2007 7:35:31 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: SlapHappyPappy

My mistake. I misspoke earlier. Meant to say ALLEGED pedophile.

Google him yourself for more information.

There is a lot of neo-nazi nonsense out there but there are also serious allegations of that charge by his family.

Would appreciate it if someone with access to Nexus-Lexus or another legal search site could come up with the court documents in the case.


19 posted on 06/11/2007 7:43:21 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (A)
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To: AmericaUnited
Let's not get the folks started...

Seriously, I think it can be summed up like this. The Constitution originally allowed certain types of taxes, like taxes that are apportioned among the states. Income taxes are not apportioned among the states. So, the 16th Amendment was passed to allow income taxes. But, there was a conspiracy or some shady dealings, and the 16th Amendment was never officially ratified. Courts have rejected that argument, but of course they are part of the conspiracy...
20 posted on 06/11/2007 7:45:26 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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