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Pub patio heaters for smokers will produce 'as much pollution as a small city'
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | June 10, 2007 | DAVID DERBYSHIRE

Posted on 06/10/2007 5:28:10 PM PDT by Stoat

Pub patio heaters for smokers will produce 'as much pollution as a small city'

By DAVID DERBYSHIRE - More by this author » Last updated at 22:00pm on 10th June 2007

 

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Pubs are installing patio heaters in outdoor smoking areas

Patio heaters installed by pubs to keep smokers warm on chilly nights could soon produce as much carbon dioxide as a small city, it has been claimed.

Next month's smoking ban has triggered huge demand for the gas-fired heaters from pubs, restaurants and clubs creating legal outdoor smoking areas.

But according to experts, a single heater releases more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year than the average fuel-hungry "Chelsea tractor" - a large 4x4 car.

They estimate the additional patio heaters bought by pubs this year could produce up to 320,000 additional tons of carbon dioxide.

This equates to a "substantial chunk" of the annual reduction in greenhouse gases needed to meet Britain's Kyoto targets and close to the carbon emissions from every home in a city the size of Bath.

Although some DIY stores have banned patio heaters, tens of thousands of pubs have added them to gardens and outdoor areas to keep smokers happy.

"It's pretty sad that keeping warm while you have a cigarette is more important than tackling climate change, especially in a country familiar with simpler remedies to chilly evenings such as the woolly jumper," said Ben Tuxworth, of the environmental charity Forum for the Future.

The findings come from British Gas, which studied the impact of pub patio heaters as part of its energy saving campaign. It found half of all pubs in Scotland bought at least one patio heater after the smoking ban in March 2006. Many bought several.

 

With a single heater releasing almost four tons of greenhouse gases a year, the patio heaters installed in Scotland produced up to 10,000 tons of carbon dioxide in their first year, the company said.

British Gas estimates a minimum of 40,000 heaters will be bought for the July 1 deadline by English pubs.

That would produce around 160,000 additional tons of carbon.

If pubs buy two, the emissions would rise to 320,000 - the equivalent to the annual domestic carbon output of a small city. The estimates are based on Government findings that a typical commercial patio heater is used for around five hours a day, 237 days a year.

Jon Kimber, the company's spokesman on energy efficiency, said many homes were working hard to improve their energy efficiency.

"There has been a real step change in people's concerns about reducing their impact on the environment and it's worrying to see these efforts cancelled out by a sudden boom in patio heater sales," he said.

Earlier this year the garden chain Wyevale stopped selling patio heaters after pressure from environmental campaigners. According to Friends of the Earth, the energy used by a heater in one hour is the equivalent of boiling a kettle enough times to make 400 cups of tea.

Friends of the Earth director Tony Juniper said: "Patio heaters waste energy and inflict unnecessary damage on the environment.

"Ministers must do more to get their climate strategy back on track. It's time to ban the sale of these metal monstrosities."

The smoking ban in indoor public spaces begins on July 1 in England. Wales and Northern Ireland introduced their bans earlier this year.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antismoking; cigar; climatechange; england; environazis; environment; globalwarming; govwatch; greatbritain; puff; pufflist; smokers; smoking; uk; unitedkingdom
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We all saw this coming...with the popularity and acceptance in popular culture and the media of treating smokers as vermin,  no "solution" to the smoking issue will ever be acceptable to the antismoking and enviro Nazis other than a total ban on all tobacco products, sales and usage.   Outdoor heaters will also be banned,  but there will always be 'some' villain, as far as these pressure groups are concerned....a total victory would put them out of  (a very lucrative) business.

Earlier this year the garden chain Wyevale stopped selling patio heaters after pressure from environmental campaigners

I suppose that if I were the owner of Wyevale's and woke up one morning to find my beloved pet decapitated on my front lawn with a note attached:" Your family is next!  Stop selling outdoor heaters!" I would probably feel that it's a whole lot easier to drop one out of thousands of products that I carry.

1 posted on 06/10/2007 5:28:13 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

The only thing to be said is, “LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...”


2 posted on 06/10/2007 5:30:26 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Stoat

Those heaters attract filthy disease ridden smokers much like trash attracts rats. LOL


3 posted on 06/10/2007 5:31:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: GOP_Lady

My reaction exactly.


4 posted on 06/10/2007 5:31:50 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Stoat

Thye just HATE smokers, period!


5 posted on 06/10/2007 5:35:17 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: tiki

Maybe I can buy some carbon credits from Algore so that my husband can use his space heater in the garage.


6 posted on 06/10/2007 5:36:07 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Stoat

Pay me $10,000 per year (+/-; negotiable) and I will certify that I will not use any of these heaters, thereby providing carbon offsets for all of these fine citizens, thereby allowing continued use with a clear conscience.


7 posted on 06/10/2007 5:36:08 PM PDT by alancarp (How many millions have to break a law before it's inconvenient to enforce?)
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To: Stoat

If patio heaters are outlawed, only outlaws will have patio heaters.


8 posted on 06/10/2007 5:37:49 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (These are my principals. If you don't like them, I have others.)
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To: Stoat

With a single heater releasing almost four tons of greenhouse gases a year
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These heaters run off of a standard 20# propane tank ,, I’m guessing that it would be in use (at most) perhaps 6 months a year for a total of about 3600# of fuel burn a year ... and in England with petrol at $5-$6/gallon I’m sure propane is right up there too, no $12 tank fills there.. so the greenies are saying it creates 2x by weight in CO2 of the fuel input?? it doesn’t compute for me.. but then again I like things warm and have no problem with climate change.


9 posted on 06/10/2007 5:39:13 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Stoat
It's pretty sad that keeping warm while you have a cigarette is more important than tackling climate change...

The.
Climate.
Is.
Going.
To.
Change.

Deal.
With.
It.

10 posted on 06/10/2007 5:42:23 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: GOP_Lady

Well said.


11 posted on 06/10/2007 5:42:26 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: martin_fierro
Cigar Ping


12 posted on 06/10/2007 5:42:30 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Patio heaters installed by pubs to keep smokers warm on chilly nights could soon produce as much carbon dioxide as a small city, it has been claimed.

On the bright side, if these heaters cause enough global warming, then they won't need them anymoree.

13 posted on 06/10/2007 5:45:40 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Stoat
I noticed a few patio heaters on Paris Hilton’s patio when she was getting picked up and brought back to court. Maybe this is why he judge is so upset!
14 posted on 06/10/2007 5:50:28 PM PDT by jackieaxe (This one hour pre-flight security screening is brought to you by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia)
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To: Gabz; SheLion
Ping


15 posted on 06/10/2007 5:51:30 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

One thing that I’ve noticed:

Folks (such as myself) banished to the smoking patios seem to have more fun than the patrons cooped-up inside (they don’t want to associate with the dirty smokers). I attribute the jocularity to being outside and enjoying the elements.


16 posted on 06/10/2007 5:54:49 PM PDT by goarmy ("The Washington Post was a little more sophisticated with their ignorance." -Michael Steele)
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To: Stoat

Where be the sane men?


17 posted on 06/10/2007 5:54:53 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Stoat

Carbon dioxide is not a problem! When will the Dioxophobia end?


18 posted on 06/10/2007 6:13:30 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Neidermeyer
so the greenies are saying it creates 2x by weight in CO2 of the fuel input??

Two moles of C4H10 weighs 116 grams (48+10 each). They will combine with 13 moles of O2 weighing 416 grams (32 each) to yield ten moles of H2O weighing 180 grams (18 each) and eight moles of CO2 weighing 352 grams (44 each).

Thus, burning 3,600 pounds of propane would produce about 10,924 pounds of CO2.

19 posted on 06/10/2007 6:14:35 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: cripplecreek
Those heaters attract filthy disease ridden smokers much like trash attracts rats.

Don't worry, they will soon be illegal throughout the UK and Europe, and the USA will be next for the EnviroJihadists.

Friends of the Earth director Tony Juniper said: "Patio heaters waste energy and inflict unnecessary damage on the environment.

"Ministers must do more to get their climate strategy back on track. It's time to ban the sale of these metal monstrosities."

 

20 posted on 06/10/2007 6:14:46 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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