Romney candidacy has resurrected last days prophecy of Mormon saving the Constitution

The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | June 4, 2007 | Thomas Burr

[Colofornian]

For a better historical take of what general authorities and other LDSaints have said about the "White Horse prophecy," go to: http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/whitehorseprophecy.htm

Obviously you wouldn't have so many LDS authorities using the same exact phrase of "hang by a thread" in regard to the constitution if they didn't feel Joseph Smith was at the direct source.

[Red Badger]

The Dems have a prophecy, too..........”Here comes our king, riding on a donkey..........”

[AlaskaErik]

Romney is a gun grabber and that’s all I need to know when I step into the voting booth. I could care less about his religion.

[Cicero]

Interesting story.

On a lighter note, I guess we’d better keep an eye out for any Romney agents who are going around looking to purchase a white horse.

[Squidpup]

Th Mahdi is also suposed to ride a white horse. Just sayin! Not insinuating anything.

[Taxbilly]

Joseph Smith
US GOVERNMENT WILL BE DESTROYED: May 18, 1843. HC 5:394, also Mill Star 22:455. Joseph Smith prophesies “by virtue of the holy priesthood... and in the name of the Lord” that if Congress or the United States will not redress the wrongs which the Mormons suffered in Missouri, and grant them protection, “the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted,” they shall be “broken up as a government” and there will be nothing left of them. (A similar prophecy was made Dec 16, 1843. See Quinn p 641, Chron JS 189)

FULFILLMENT: The United States rejected the Mormons’ petitions; their wrongs were not redressed; they were not protected from their enemies. The United States government was never overthrown and is still in existence.

[Dilbert San Diego]

I can’t believe that some liberals are bigoted against a Mormon running for president. Since we are supposed to be tolerant and celebrate diversity, we cannot hold a person’s religion against him.

[MrEdd]

He will have to get someone else to help elect him. I will never vote for a creature who submitted that the boy scouts should accept homosexual scoutmasters. Pedophile agendas are a permanent deal breaker for me, and there is no second chance or "What I meant was..." crap.

And if any here want to defend this POS fine, but I will oppose him with every available means. Supporting this is never going to be worth it, even for the white house. If the Republicans run him, they chose this when the democrats start exposing this part of his record to the Christian voters. It isn't about Mormonism, it's about decency. Romney fails the test.

No we can't just all get along. Rudy McRomney are unacceptable.

[asparagus]

Joseph Smith could have been talking about himself. The Constitution was more in tatters in 1843 than in 2007, after all, we were only a few years before the Civil War. The country, especially the frontier, was a very violent place. The early Mormons were besieged by mobs and government failed to protect them, and even signed an extermination order in Missouri. It is for this reason that Joseph Smith declared himself a candidate for President in 1843, shortly before he was murdered. He also declared that Stephen Douglas would never be President, after Illinois failed to protect the Saints from mob violence. Another man from Illinois won instead.

[claudiustg]

You’re talking about the bill the NRA endorsed?

[Colofornian]

Joseph Smith could have been talking about himself.

If he was talking about himself, it was a failed prophecy (one of many of his)

[Swordfished]

"...the Constitution - which Mormons believe was divinely inspired...

that's a enormously good sign.
and I wouldn't mind if the story of the prophecy were true...save the country and the Constitution!

[Scarchin]

LOL! Love it!

[Let's Roll]

Could you give a source for this - as I’m getting tired of hearing what a gun grabber Romney is.

Thanks.

[Swordfished]

"You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed," the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. "It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber."

Turning over our sovereignty and rule of law to illegal alien amnesty and anarchy, constitutional rights for non-citizen lawbreakers, Hillary Clinton ready to enact her socialist wealth redistribution scheme...yeah, I'd say we're on the brink of disaster.

[greyfoxx39]

FIP Ping

[greyfoxx39]

From the article in the Salt Lake Tribune:

Mitt Romney has faced a barrage of questions about his religion from the news media but few in public from voters.

The outcry from Romney supporters here on FR is that his religion is not a factor. No one has informed the media of that.

[BGHater]

As governor, Romney signed a 2004 measure instituting a permanent Massachusetts ban on assault weapons, to take the place of a federal assault weapons ban, which was then about to expire. The bill made Massachusetts the first state to enact its own such ban, and Romney supported the law with the comment: “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

http://myclob.pbwiki.com/07-01-2004

[Colofornian]

that's a enormously good sign. and I wouldn't mind if the story of the prophecy were true...save the country and the Constitution!

I find it interesting, though, that just as LDS call themselves the "saviors" on Mt. Zion who rescue folks from spirit prison (via baptizing dead folks), this "rescue" story line extends elsewhere. LDS Apostle Orson F. Whitney, in Saturday Night Thoughts (p. 60) has a sub-head of "Saviors of the Nation" before writing: "Joseph Smith prophesied that the Elders of Israel would save this Nation in the hour of its extremest peril. At a time when anarchy would threaten the life of the Government, and the Constitution be hanging as by a thread..."

LDS have done a big turnabout in the last 80 years--going from swearing allegiances to "pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, that you will teach the same to your children and to your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation” (did Romney's grandfather swear to this oath?) to statements like this from Ezra Taft Benson, an LDS prophet who opposed communism (following statement made before Benson became a so-called "prophet"):

"The Constitution of the United States is a glorious standard; it is founded in the wisdom of God. It is a heavenly banner." (Benson, 4/1948 Conference Report, p. 85).

Prior to that, (until 1927), the LDS would swear in a temple oath to avenge the blood of Smith. Whereas Benson used "heavenly banner" in an uplifting way of the US Constitution, think of how the term was used previously (quote below is where Krakauer got title for book UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN):

“The people of the rest of the country are our enemies…. When the government conflicts with heaven, we will be ranged under the banner of heaven and against the Government...I defy the United States. I will obey God.” (LDS "Prophet" John Taylor, Salt Lake Tribune, January 6, 1880, quoted in Samuel W. Taylor, Rocky Mountain Empire, 1978, p. 29)

[asparagus]

The church never confirmed this "prophecy" and was never published in Joseph Smith's writings. It appears to be an urban legend.

The Stephen Douglas story is a good one. This link provides a great discussion on Joseph's encounter with Stephen Douglas in 1843, 17 years before Douglas was nominated for President by the Democrat Party. Douglas smeared the Saints in 1857 and fulfilled the prophecy. In 1860, he lost the election, carrying only the State of Missouri, and died a year later.<> http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_prophecies.shtml#douglas