Posted on 06/05/2007 2:50:43 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #3 - Manchester, New Hampshire 06/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread
WMUR-TV, CNN, and the New Hampshire Union Leader will host a Republican debate in Manchester, New Hampshire on the campus of Saint Anselm College. Moderated by Wolf Blitzer. Debate begins at 7 p.m. EDT (4 p.m. PDT) and will last two hours.
If you are really interested in an honest historical comparison instead of one that merely fits your political opinions, read about the Know Nothings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_movement
Comparing people who voluntarily come to this country with the slaves kidnapped and forced here is absurd.
Some of the arguments being thrown around on the Right today are almost word for word repeats of the same arguments the Know Nothings made against the Irish and the German immigrants in the 1840s.
These are the arguments where you lose me. I can agree with the arguments that base themselves on the idea that this is an overly bureaucratic, unworkable bill. That adding another layer of bureaucracy is a mistake. However. some of the other arguments being put forward are pure emotion based rantings with utterly NO basis in any factual reality.
The argument that the immigrants will some how “destroy the Republic” or “Demographics are fate” are pure nativist rantings.
There is utterly no evidence that Hispanic Immigrants will do any such thing. Anymore then the Germans, the Jews, the Irish, the Blacks, the Chinese, the Japanese et al did. So if you want to argue this issue, I suggest Tancredo stick to the economic or small Govt argument and leave the rest out of it. But when he starts arguing that the Hispanics are the “Wrong sort of Immigrants”, he loses.
Every immigrant group has it share of problem children. But we have gangs and thugs that are native born Americans too. Most of the Hispanics I meet, or served with in the US Military, are descent hard working respectable people. Average voters see the same thing in their daily lives in the Hispanics and they are going to dismiss the sorts of over the top rantings Tancredo engages in as the mindless drivel of either a bigot or nut case.
So if Tancredo wants to win this argument, I suggest he leave the more emotional, over blown rhetoric behind and concentrate on making a calm rational factual argument.
Many of the people who a Presidential Candidate need to convince to vote for him have ancestors that faced the same sort of Nativist opposition when then came to this country. They are not going to be swayed by these sorts of Nativist arguments.
So if Tancredo wants to argue this issue and win, he needs to argue it on the merits NOT on some hysteric nonsense about “the Mexicans are coming, the Mexicans are coming”.
Now Huckabee is making Blitzer cry.
Poor Petronski. He’s got Mitt envy. And he’s got it bad.
I don’t like Huckabee, but I like the way he’s responding to the AntiChristian CNN.
Go back to the pulpit, Mike..go..go..go..
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GO Huckabee!
Huckabee: question on creationism.
God is active in the creation process.
Huckabee says :Here I stand, I can do no other(Martin Luther’s words).
Brownback up for same question.
It was Gravel.
WSolf God dont like you questioning His creative ability
cant't hotlink right now, Sorry
Most libs are decendants of primates ,,,,, one or two generations removed only.
Do you believe it was done in 6 days and 6000 years ago?
Hey, don’t underestimate God, Wolfie.
The Israeli Air Force has never fielded F-18's. I like Duncan, but a former chairman of the House Armed Services Committee ought to know that.
Brownback: “anyone need a towel or water?”
That was the one from Alaska. Graves I believe... I could be wrong on his last name.
I love Brownback’s response.
Huckabee did well on that.
irrelevent God questions
That question is eminently fair (as long as there is a federal Department of Education).
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