Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #3 - Manchester, NH 06/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

[CounterCounterCulture]

Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #3 - Manchester, New Hampshire 06/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

WMUR-TV, CNN, and the New Hampshire Union Leader will host a Republican debate in Manchester, New Hampshire on the campus of Saint Anselm College. Moderated by Wolf Blitzer. Debate begins at 7 p.m. EDT (4 p.m. PDT) and will last two hours.

• Sam Brownback
• Jim Gilmore
• Rudy Giuliani
• Mike Huckabee
• Duncan Hunter
• John McCain
• Mitt Romney
• Ron Paul
• Tom Tancredo
• Tommy Thompson

Watch live video including complete coverage of the Republican debate on CNN.com

[Altura Ct.]

We Need To Get Away From The Kennedy Wing Of The Republican Party.

No truer words were spoken all night.

[ProCivitas]

Well, Duncan Hunter just received prominent honorable mention on National Public Radio's 9pm News, just prior to their 'Talk Of The Nation' show around here.

He was the last of only three candidates mentioned in the news clip about the debate.(McCain and Romney were the other two).Hunter was described as favoring the Southern Border Wall("fence",they called it.)And as criticizing the current administration for not building it more and sooner, and having not done more to curtail illegal immigration.

Probably significant when NPR starts to notice Duncan Hunter.

[Irontank]

So you’re a ‘truther’, eh?

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Ron Paul Calls the 9-11 Investigation A COVER-UP

You must have heard that from some of the many people who are still lying and trying to smear Ron Paul

Absolutely contemptible

Here is an excerpt from an interview with Ron Paul in Reason magazine

Reason: What did you mean when you told the Scholars that "the [9/11] investigation is an investigation in which there were government cover-ups"?

Paul: I do think there were cover-ups, and I think it was mainly to cover up who was blamed, who's inept. See, they had the information. The FBI had an agent who was very much aware of the terrorists getting flight lessons but obviously not training to be pilots. He reported it 70 times or whatever and it was totally ignored. We were spending $40 billion a year on intelligence. It wasn't a lack of money or a lack of intelligence, it was a lack of the ability to put the intelligence together. Even the administration had been forewarned that something was coming, the CIA had been forewarned. So it was a cover up of who to blame. I see it more that way.

Reason: The position of the Student Scholars is that 9/11 was executed by the U.S. government. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Paul: I'd say there's no evidence of that.

Reason: So what did you mean when you told Student Scholars you'd be open to a new 9/11 investigation?

Paul: Well, I think the more we know about what we went on is good. But I don't think there's any evidence of [an inside job] and I don't believe that. The blame goes to bad policy. And a lot of times bad policy is well-motivated. The people who believe in a one world government are well motivated, but they disagree with me.

[Remember_Salamis]

You're half-right. Yes, we do get most of our oil from non-middle east sources, but oil is a fungible market.

If prices for Middle Eastern oil go up, global oil prices will go up. If the supply in the Middle East is restricted, global supply is restricted.

[Puddleglum]

This war is not a police action and you degenerating the service of our troops for saying so.

Please - the term police action does not denegrate the troops in any way. That's a cheap shot and you surely know it. Look, my old man was in Korea and Vietnam and he often wished Congress had shat or gotten off the pot. I respect the troops highly - much, MUCH more than the policy-makers. It's Congress and GWB I question, plus the quality of our pre-war intelligence vis-a-vis the WMD. In retrospect, Colin Powell's PowerPoint show at the UN was awfully thin, but I bought into it out of trust in GWB.

[ChicagoConservative27]

Thanks. I also found this.

http://degreeofmadness.typepad.com/degree_of_madness/2006/10/california_rep_.html

[abigailsmybaby]

Wow! I’m surprised. Really surprised.

[crunk]

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibqwKb4cCsg

[processing please hold]

but did Hunter serve with pride in VietName? Hmmm?

Ummmm, yes he did. He left college and joined the Airborne and also earned the Bronze Star.

You have any Bronze Stars?

[jveritas]

Read my FR home page where I translated Iraqi documents showing that Saddam regime never stopped working on WMD programs.

This is not a police action, it is a real war, a different type of war, and I explained to you why and how we fight it.

[Salem]

"My memory may be a bit fuzzy, but weren’t F-18s originally slated for use in that operation?"

Nope, pod'nah. The F16 and F15 are the only F series fighters the Israelis are flying.

[RasterMaster]

I didn’t see Fred kicking butt and taking names on the stage this evening....instead, I saw him in a SOFTBALL interview with Sean Hannity.

[lawdog]

I do understand. The value is in knowing how your enemy thinks so you can defeat them on teh batrtlefield and keep from giving them one propaganda coup after another. Pesonally I think “Through Our Enemies’ Eyes” is one of the better reads out there.

[Paperdoll]

>Hunter may speak with pride of his son serving his 3rd tour in Iraq (Afghanistan this tour, tillicum) but did Hunter serve with pride in VietName? (sic) Hmmmm?<

Congressman Hunter served bravely in the 173rd Airborne and 75th Army Rangers in Viet Nam, winning the bronze star. You have a problem with that?

[SoCalPol]

The major problem is suply and demand which ups the price.
Here in San Diego we have had the highest prices the longest, at times close to $4.00

But I laugh as I never owned a car in my life and take public transortation, did while I worked for several decades, all my errans, etc.

People choose their situations. The folks who want to live in the burbs with their 5 bedrms and 4 baths, etc and commute 50+ extra miles a day, their choice not the oil co.

[lawdog]

Very nice post.

[George W. Bush]

Tancredo looked very Presidential tonight. But he has a problem with his running away from Vietnam Service.

No, his biggest problem is lack of national experience. At moments, it's like he's in a panic. During that one answer tonight, I thought he might start crying.

He's a great congresscritter and we're all very fond of him, very grateful for the fight he's made for us and the mud they slung at him for it. And I think he has suffered from some of the abuse they've hurled at him over the years and with that filthy Giuliani referring to him rather directly as a Know-Nothing. Disgusting.

He should stay in the race, at least through the fall. But he's an issues candidate and he's said it himself very clearly. He's out to defeat McStain and any other Zamnesty candidates in the primaries and to find a proper solution to the illegals and the border.

I like Tom and want to see him in the race. I like his ideas, his spending restraint, his willingness to say things he knows people don't want to hear said out loud. But he really isn't well-prepared to be an American president, let alone run a large organization and do all the politicking required to mount a successful general election campaign. Electability has to do with being able to lead a large busy campaign organization. And presidential candidates do largely lead their party, either to victory or defeat.

All that said, I like Tom and want to see him in this race, pinning down every candidate on the borders/Zamnesty. I think that without Hunter/Tancredo/Paul, there would never be any real debate on the issue so I want all of them in there. Or maybe, in the fall or early winter, just one of those three that all the border voters can get behind and who might then break 5% in the polls so they can stay in right through the primaries.

At some point, we need to separate our serious intent with implementing policies from some of our favorite politicians. Sure, we love these guys but the issues are more important than the personalities, I think.

[death2tyrants]

Great find. I see his explanation as sufficient. I still see him as a loon however, due to his absurd accusations within his publications since the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

[Remember_Salamis]

We have a tendency to be alarmist when it comes to “foreign monsters”.

I do believe that radical Salafist Islam is “insane”, but I still believe their end goals are the re-establishment of the Caliphate in the Middle East; attacks against the West are a means to an end.

[Puddleglum]

How is this now, or ever, going to be avoidable? The terrorists enjoy the "cover" of the societies that they infect. Can't we state with some clarity that millions of long-oppressed Germans were put in the middle of a shooting gallery during WWII?

Should FDR have declared war on Germany sooner? Did we declare war on Iraq? Did Iraq declare war on us? I am not sure the situations are analogous except to say that yes, civilians die in war.