Posted on 06/02/2007 10:22:51 AM PDT by nj26
President Bush’s advocacy of an immigration overhaul and his attacks on critics of the plan are provoking an unusually intense backlash from conservatives who form the bulwark of his remaining support, splintering his base and laying bare divisions within a party whose unity has been the envy of Democrats.
It has pitted some of Mr. Bush’s most stalwart Congressional and grass-roots backers against him, sparking a vitriol that has at times exceeded anything seen yet between Mr. Bush and his supporters, who have generally stood with him through the toughest patches of his presidency. Those supporters now view him as pursuing amnesty for foreign law breakers when he should be focusing on border security.
Postings on conservative Web sites this week have gone so far as to call for Mr. Bush’s impeachment, and usually friendly radio hosts, commentators and Congressional allies are warning that he stands to lose supporters — a potentially damaging development, they say, when he needs all the backing he can get on other vital matters like the war in Iraq.
“I think President Bush hurts himself every time he says it is not amnesty,” said Senator Tom Coburn, Republican of Oklahoma, referring to the bill’s legalization process for immigrants. “We are not all that stupid.”
This week, in discussing Mr. Bush’s recent comments accusing conservative critics of the immigration legislation of fear-mongering, Rush Limbaugh told listeners: “I just wish he hadn’t done it because he’s not going to lose me on Iraq, and he’s not going to lose me on national security. But he might lose some of you.”
Such sentiments have reverberated through talk radio, conservative publications like National Review and Fox News. They have also appeared on Web sites including RedState.com and FreeRepublic.com...
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“Why would a conservative donate money to liberal pro-illegal Jerry Brown. Savage did.”
I don’t know. How long ago was this?
“Why do you care about defending this liberal hack named Savage? You want People to believe that a san francisco, ex-hippie,”ex communistt”, Berkely liberal who bashes the GOP much more than Democrats, who donated to Jerry brown, is for gun control ,and is for the minimum wage is really a conservative and not a liberal putting on act to make money? What a laugh.”
Well first, I defend him cause I believe he has some good points and is able to see things where others do not. Also, he is not afraid to bash either side when they make a mistake, unlike bush bots such as bill o’rielly and hannity who have their noses up bushes ass even when he is dead wrong. YES I KNOW SAVAGE USED TO BE A HIPPIE. I don’t think he was ever a communist, do you have any solid proof of this? HE ADMIT’S THAT HE USED TO BE A HIPPIE AND A DEMOCRAT, AND THAT HE HAS CHANGED HIS VIEWS. I have never heard him take a socialist position on gun control, in fact he strongly urged civilian gun ownership several times.
“* On April 18, 2007, at approximately 25 minutes into the second hour of his show, Weiner stated: “WE NEED TO STOP FUNDING THE WAR IN IRAQ AND START FUNDING THE WAR ON OUR STREETS”. That’s an exact quote. Weiner was apparently referring to homeless “scum” (his term)”
So what. With so many problems here at home maybe we should focus a little more attention here, that being said I think we need to stay in the middle east as well.
‘* On April 17, 2007, at approximately 45 minutes into the 1st hour of his show, Weiner said the shooting (at Virginia Tech) indicates our Gun laws are too lax.”
Problaby misqouted or taken out of context as he so often is by bush bots such as yourself. I listened to him during that time and don’t recall him saying that. If i remember correctly he said that the teachers should be allowed to have firearms for defense.
‘* Like Rachel Maddox on Air America, Weiner used the Virginia Tech shooting to attack President Bush throughout the 1st hour of his show on April 17th, 2007”
If he did I don’t know why
“* On April 17, 2007, at approximately 20 minutes into the 3rd hour of his show, Weiner admitted he did not recognize the name Ken Blackwell.”
I don’t know who that is either
“* On April 17, 2007, at approximately 28 minutes into the 3rd hour of his show, Weiner attacked President Bush for not mentioning Jesus Christ when he spoke at Virginia Tech Convocation.”
So what.
“* Throughout his April 16 show (the day of the Virginia Tech shooting), Weiner used the massacre to repeatedly attack President Bush and Homeland Secretary Chertoff for their lack of leadership. Weiner never explained what he expected the President or the Secretary to do in the wake of the school shooting.”
I don’t know what that has to do with the tradgedy at VT, but bush and chertoff are doing a crappy job of homeland security for sure, and calling people like you and I who disaprove of their amnesty racsists.
“* During the first 30 minutes of his April 16, 2007 show, Weiner called Prime Minister Blair “Tony the Coward”.”
He is a coward. Look how he acted when iran kidnapped those british sailors! Do you think churchill would have acted like that? He would have declared war!! And Blair is letting his country be overrun by muslims.
“* Also during the first 30 minutes of his April 16, 2007 show, Weiner called the Republicans running for President in 2008 “empty-suits”. Weiner singled out Mayor Rudolph Giuliani by name.”
Rudy guliani is not a republican. Soft on illegals, pro-choice, etc. He is not a good canidate for pres. IMO
“* On April 16, 2007, at approximately 50 minutes into the 3rd hour of his show, Weiner claimed that Rudolph Giuliani “wants to make America like New York”. Weiner offered no proof or evidence for this assertion”
You have no proof that rudy dosen’t.
“* Calls for the impeachment of G.W. Bush”
So will I if this shamnesty bill passes.
“* Weiner actually did support his Congresswoman, Madame Pelosi, when she met with the Murderer Assad before he was against her meeting with Assad.”
dont know much about this
“* Weiner hates President Bush, except when he loves President Bush.”
So? Bush has done some good things, and some bad things.
“* In the middle of his April 4, 2007 show, Weiner threw a fit and suddenly was off the air even though he had ninety minutes left.”
So you have proved he has a temper. BFD
“* On his Nov 20, 2006 show, Weiner hosted a love-in with Charlie Rangel.”
dont know who that is. I don’t get to listen to every show though.
“* On his Nov 17, 2006 show, Weiner played a clip from some Israeli pot smokers and then extrapolated from this clip that all of Israel have become drug addicts.”
So what. He’s not entitled to his opinion?
“* On his Nov 17, 2006 show, Weiner said that drug addicts should be executed.”
He does say some things that don’t make sense occasionaly. But I am sure he was taken out of context.
“* Weiner advocates cutting and running in Iraq.”
BS He advocates winning or getting out. Not farting around.
“* Weiner claims he hates San Francisco; yet, he continues to live there. (What’s that about?)”
Well he has been there along time. Why should he be forced to leave cause the socialists call it home?
“* Provides money to a moonbat AG candidate in a border state”
WHO?
“* Twice hosted Chuck Schumer in a blatant attempt to damage the GOP Senate Campaign during an election year.”
Once was because schumer was actually on the right side of an issue. Schumer helped defeat the Dubai ports deal. THe other time I can’t remember.
“* Routinely calls our fellow Americans morons and idiots”
Alot of americans are idiots. Look who they voter into
power.
“* Like his brethern on Air America, Weiner thinks multinational corporations conspire with each other
Maybe they do.
* Like his brethern on Air America, Weiner thinks the oil companies conspire with each other
Maybe they do.
* Supports the minimum wage
I have never heard him.
* Like his brethern on Air America, Weiner h ates Conservative icons like Rush Limbaugh”
BECAUSE RUSH IS A BUSHBOT LIKE YOU WHO NEVER DISAGREES WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EVEN WHEN THEY ARE DEAD WRONG. I like a radio host who can think for himself not just toe the party line.
“* Spews hatred and vile towards our Commander in Chief during a time of war”
That’s because although W is doing a fiar job at best in the middle east he’s ruining the country with shamnesty.
“* Claims to be a sort of “Patton” on the War on Terror, but when the Israelis started bombing Lebanon, he turned into Cindy Sheehan”
BS he always backs Israel.
“* Routinely asks callers a question, then ignores their answer and continues on maniacal rant.”
We are in agreement here. But alot of radio hosts do that, not just him.
“* Said the war in Iraq is purely for profit, get this, so that Haliburton can make money.”
Misqouted. But he did say that gov. contractors make alot of money in iraq, and they do. NO bid contracts no less. I don’t believe we are at war for that reason, but don’t be so naive sto believe there isnt corruption there. Even Eisenhower I think it was told the american people to beware of gov. contractors.
* Called Cheney a liar, and said he didn’t believe a word he says, ever.
* Called Bush a liar.
BUsh is a liar, when it comes to his support for illegals.
“Said there’s no difference between the GOP and Dems.”
pretty much. look at how nicely ted kennedy and bush are getting along with thier new attempt to sell america down the river.
I am too tired of typing so I didn’t answer the last few. But sounds to me like your a bush bot and will defend him no matter what he does, and you don’t like an independent mind like savage talking bad about bushy.
What is this “marshall” law you speak of?
Ping
Heck, I have prayed for the President, given money for his campaigns, stood side by side with him even to the point that some family members grew agitated with my unyeilding support.
But, this amnesty debacle ssure screams of the worst legislation ever to be thrust upon the American Citizens without any care or respect for us.
FR *bookmark*
You mean those few posters that insult everyone with vague generalities? Speak for your emotional, irrational fool self. Been here a lot longer than you, will be here long after you're long gone.
This is going to make Harriet M and Dubai fiascos look like a day at the beach.
BUILD THE FENCE NOW!
My question is, “ What does President Bush know that we don’t that makes him take that position?” Letting that many illiterate foreigners into this country can’t be good for the Good Old USA. Our grandchildren will curse our generation.IMHO
That is the first time the New York Times has said anything that has the ring of truth and actually makes sense. I know it's only an observation, but I didn't think those people were capable of clear, honest--not to mention accurate--observation.
Maybe they had a transient moment of ludicity...
Naaaaaaaaaaah. It's like the clock that's not working.
I don't know what we do now. We're in a he** of a fix.
So according to Pinch, you no longer exist?
The only “irrational tone” I perceive is the one being pushed by the pandering, hand-wringing, pro-ILLEGAL immigration posters.
“If we don’t get this bill then we won’t have anything.”
“If we don’t get this bill we will have to deal with what Hillary wants”
What utter nonsense!
I wish all you “optimists” would go join the WAcko site, you might feel more comfotable.
No, they are not. The simplest and best solution to the problem is to enforce the laws on the books. It is right, proper, just, and understandable. It is also easy to justify, easy to explain, and easy to carry out.
What they want is to find a way to avoid doing just that, yet not lose too much power and influence in the process. THAT is what is problematic, and not amenable to sloganeering. They get no sympathy from me. They merely earn my scorn.
It's the same Karl Rove who spent tons of Republican money to support the likes of Lincoln Chaffee, Arlen Specter, and Arnold Schwarzenneger.
What? Bush WANTS to tear down America? Sure the guy is dead wrong on this issue but I fail to see how people can ascribe motives that he wants to destroy this or that. I think Bush believes that Republicans as a party can buy future votes from mexican americans by supposedly pandering to them on this issue. I think he’s wrong but I believe that is his misguided strategy. It has nothing to do with him purposefully WANTING to destroy anything. That’s like saying he wants Hillary to become President or he wanted the dems to take control of Congress. That type of thinking is crazy.
Naw... He’s just having another “Miers Moment”. However, it is a great deal more serious this time around!
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