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Among some of suggestions to improve birth rate:

1. Pay people to have children. Offer government support for children. Pay for their food and health care.

2. Get rid of Social Security so that people are forced to have children to take care of them when they are too old to work.

What do you think? Does it matter?

1 posted on 06/01/2007 11:27:41 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Well, first, you have to take your pants off,...then,......


2 posted on 06/01/2007 11:29:12 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

My wife and I have six kids and we frquently hear the “you know what causes that, don’t you” line. (We had suspicions that required further testing to verify.

From this headline, I have determined that it’s everyone else who doesn’t know “what causes that.”


3 posted on 06/01/2007 11:32:05 PM PDT by Gil4 (Time Man of the Year 2006 - and I'm darned proud of it)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Well, it’s “The Pill” ... birth control. I.e. the explanation is technological. This was widely understood and commented on when “The Pill” was first introduced, but once the radical and farreaching ramifications were realized in fact, they were no longer remarkable.


4 posted on 06/01/2007 11:35:54 PM PDT by dr_lew
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If current rates continue, it is estimated that 35% of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45.
- Guttmacher Institute. State Facts About Abortion. 2003. -


5 posted on 06/01/2007 11:36:10 PM PDT by donna (They hand off my culture & citizenship to criminals & then call me racist for objecting?)
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Well, I believe that we are living in a post industrialist society.

Once upon a time, children were relied upon as a workforce by their parents. You know-— farm hands and coal miners.

Since we have moved away from an agrarian and industrial culture, the need to have children has diminished. Children are no longer a resource, they are a liability.

For cultures and societies that still believe children are a resource, birth rates are higher. Where they are a liability or a novelty, the birth rates are lower.

If you paid people to have children (welfare already does this, AFAIK) you get a higher percentage of poor people having children (IE, they are now a resource (or an asset) that monies can be generated from). However, these children will essentially be wards of the state until they are eighteen.

Have a good look around you. There is a reason abortion clinics are big business. As a society, we no longer value children because they no longer needed for our own financial survival. Therefore, in the eyes of some, they are nothing more than an eighteen year commitment (the humanity of the fetus is either ignored or irrelevant).

As far as human nature is concerned, ALWAYS filter out altruism. Humanity does not function like that.

APf

8 posted on 06/01/2007 11:57:21 PM PDT by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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What is the Cause of Low Birth Rates?

FREERIDERS.

9 posted on 06/02/2007 12:15:47 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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if you compare white Americans to white Europeans, the American birth rate is somewhat higher than those of the Scandinavian nanny states, but still lower than replacement level

White American fertility is bimodal. The aggregate is below replacement level (about 1.8 cpw ), but when you separate conservatives and liberals you get quite a different picture... liberals 1.44 (rapid extinction!), conservatives 2.08 (replacement). In other words, it's the white liberals who are killing themselves off (and good riddance). But we conservatives are not going anywhere.

There was no breakdown of types within conservatism; I'd hazard a guess that religious conservatives are well above 2.0.

11 posted on 06/02/2007 12:18:12 AM PDT by Rytwyng (open borders = open treason)
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I think the biggest issue is that it costs ALOT of money to raise children. I guess they think that thousand dollar per child tax credit is enough to raise the child for a year. We have three and will have one more if God allows us to, but still they are quite expensive even if you just factor in regular living expenses without the frills. I am definitely not saying that the government should do more, but just putting the facts on the table.


13 posted on 06/02/2007 12:41:26 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

My grandmother used to say: “When you send a girl to college, you send her straight to hell”

Things have changed alot since her days. People don’t have a very solid connection to reality anymore. My grandfather used to say “War is necessary to keep people sane. Without the hardship of war once every generation, everyone forgets what’s important in life.” Maybe this is what’s happening to us. The men are ruined from lack of war. The women are ruined by opportunity, prosperity, and education.

When a man is taught to earn a greater income, he uses it to woo women. When a woman is taught to earn a greater income, she uses it to distance herself from men.

What lesson is learned by this? Is there any wonder that the bible has the story of adam an eve? This story is a lesson in human nature.

I’ll let someone else attempt an interpretation here. It is painfully obvious to me what the problem is.

Here’s here’s one more example. When a very busy very successfull man is asked what one thing would he change about his life if he could, he responds “I wish I had more time to spend with my family”. When a very busy very successfull woman is asked the very same question, she responds “I wish I had more time to myself”.

Need I say more? I’d say my grandmother was a genius and a saint.


16 posted on 06/02/2007 1:06:54 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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I’d be willing to bet that if you got rid of taxes you would see an explosion in the birth rate.

In the 50’s one person was required to work to support a family; today, two people must work to have the same standard of living as in the 50’s; and the reason is that one pay check is going to the shit hole our great politicians have created for their own self engrandizement (you know, like fighting aids, global warming, or ruling the planet, or some other happy crap like that).

I mean, come on, if you are spending (taxing) 3 trillion a year and in hock for another 8, do you think this federal beast is no going to turn every stone for a buck?

Quite frankly, everyone out there is putting on a show about how well off they are but it’s all debt, and they know that they can’t afford children unless they go for a way lower standard of living and they are NOT going to do that.

18 posted on 06/02/2007 1:20:54 AM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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Cell phones? Tight shorts? Bad nutrition? Bad overall health? Abortion? All our possibilities.


20 posted on 06/02/2007 1:51:15 AM PDT by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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birth control, causes low birth rates, and a society that doesn’t value its’ children, but values selfish behavior.


25 posted on 06/02/2007 2:37:09 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Amnesty is when you allow them to return to their country of origin without prosecution.)
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Taxes. when you’re taxed hard, less children. People give up family to maintain a basic lifestyle. The Gov’mt pretends that they’ll care for you in your old age to justify confiscating your earnings. Whites are the hardest taxed people in the world. Especially in Europe. A country without immigration, on the wrong side of the tax curve, sees declining birthrates and population.


26 posted on 06/02/2007 2:49:56 AM PDT by mo
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Causes? High tax rates. High cost of living. Both parents need to work in order to make it. Silly-ass tax deduction for each child that is so low that is nothing more than a joke. No welfare for Christian folks descended from Europeans. Christian folks descended from Europeans like to work and don’t want to lob around collecting welfare. Anti-fertility feminism.
Corrupt politicians bringing people into the country who don’t contribute to society and who cost us money so that we have to work more to pay for them.


29 posted on 06/02/2007 3:29:03 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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I guess we don't read the same press.

It could be this.

32 posted on 06/02/2007 4:18:31 AM PDT by Daffynition (A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.)
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As Margret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood said, “The wrong people are having babies.”

Things haven’t changed since Maggie’s day. Six illegal aliens go into a Wal-Mart and ten come out.

Worldwide, the poorer the country the higher the birth rate. This is called the rabbit defense. The only defense rabbits have against their many enemies is to multiply faster than their enemies can kill them.

35 posted on 06/02/2007 5:38:30 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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What causes low birth rates?

Think of it this way: Usually a mother and father combine their resources to support and sustain their family and have more children.

Now the model has changed due to liberal taxation. Mother and father have to combine their resources to support and sustain every welfare recipient, every third world nation reaching for a handout, 30 million illegal aliens sucking our subsidy and healthcare system dry, retiring baby boomers who've had their SS savings sacked by the government and so on.

If there's anything left, they can have children.

Isn't that special? Thank you Democrats and Republicrats.

36 posted on 06/02/2007 5:46:34 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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**What is the Cause of Low Birth Rates?**

Killing babies through abortion is the cause of low birth rates. The scourge of the nation. And we will have to answer to God for it.

What if YOUR mother had decided to abort you?


38 posted on 06/02/2007 8:59:47 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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The Pill, and Abortion.


41 posted on 06/02/2007 9:06:37 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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My wife and I did not have children.

It was a combination of factors in our case:

(1)Birth control was the default option--if we wanted to have kids we had to make a positive decision to do so. Pre birth control a lot of us were "accidents". :-)

(2) My wife works. While we could survive without her income it would significantly lower our standard of living--particularly since I would refuse to allow my child in the public schools and told her that if we did have kids she and I would have to work together to home school them.

(3) At a minimum neither of us were under social pressure to have kids. Fifty years ago she would have been considered "barren" and an outcast.

(4) Even though we live in a rural area it would be at least ten years before any kids could do significant work around the house--so that was not a positive factor.

All of that could have been overridden if we really wanted to do so, and if birth control had failed we would have had the child and all probably would have lived happily ever after, but having kids is a major responsibility and a major commitment and we just weren't there.

So this is one anecdote for whatever it is worth.
42 posted on 06/02/2007 9:15:40 AM PDT by cgbg (A cigar a day keeps the liberals away.)
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