The JFK files

The Boston Globe ^ | May 28, 2007 | David Mehegan, Globe Staff

[Shooter 2.5]

A storied former prosecutor scrutinizes one of the most debated crimes in American history The murder of President John F. Kennedy has provoked by far more suspicion, argument, obsession, and especially book-publishing than any similar event in American history. Now famed lawyer and true-crime writer Vincent Bugliosi has produced what he hopes will be the book to exceed all others. "Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" may do that, in weight (5.3 pounds) as well as content, but it's clear that if his editor hadn't insisted he turn over the manuscript after 21 years of labor, the almost-superhuman effort might have wrecked his health.

[Shooter 2.5]

No, it does not. I understand there are fans of the “Oswald did it” crowd who explain it away by the “jet effect” but I don’t believe it would have caused that much movement. Although the “jet effect” does exist, in other words, some object such as a gelatin filled human skull have jumped forward toward the shooter, the effect appears to be minimal.

There are doctors who have testified that there is no way of predicting which way a body will jump after a head shot. Some snipers in Viet Nam had reported head shot victims would tear up the landscape like headless chickens.

I can only give an opinion on this. Kennedy had a flap of skin fall directly into his face. That’s on the Zapruder film. I believe for a split second he reacted to that as Mrs. Kennedy and Connelly also reacted rather violently to what Prairie Dog Hunters decribe as “red mist”.

Bottom line is Kennedy’s head was pushed forward 2.3 inches from one movie frame to another on impact. Zapruder’s Bell and Howell filmed at, calculated at the assumed speed of 18.3 frames per second, equals .055 seconds (or 55 milliseconds).

[Radix]

There are so many little things that are not part of the magic bullet nonsense that make it clear there was a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy, and then pin it on Oswald.

When I was just a boy, I actually listened to records concerning some of this stuff, no pictures. This is all very old stuff to me, and always quite frustrating to explain to people who are simply not interested in looking at all of the evidence.

Of course the "Best Evidence” is not available, but that is all just coincidence to those of your mind set.

When you listen to the broadcast of Oswald being brought down in the garage to be shot by Ruby, the most compelling question becomes “who was driving that car, and why did he beep the horn so timed with the shots that killed Oswald?”

Other questions.....

Why did the lights flash on that station wagon just before the shooting?

Why do people ignore this stuff?

You go ahead and focus on the marksmanship, and ignore the acoustic evidence that Congress studied, as well as the films that clearly show what happened while all those inept cops stood around in their silly cowboy hats allowing their patsy to take it in the gut.

The bad guys murdered JFK, got away with it, and now they have a bunch of folks carrying their water.

Arlen Specter and Gerald Ford are in my opinion, the scummiest of all in this because they used the situation as a launch to their despicable careers in politics.

[Shooter 2.5]

Once again we have a conspiracy theorist who provides no proof to who they believe shot Kennedy.

but this time, I’m not going to answer anything you ask.

It’s time you figured out through the proven facts who killed Kennedy. Proven facts, got it?

I’ll give you a hint. It’s not some phantoms hiding behind a rickety fence wearing a Klingon Cloaking Device firing magic, invisible bullets that can turn corners and hop windshields.

[Radix]

Who shot Oswald?

How did that shooter get so close to him in a police station?

Why did the car driver beep the horn in such conjunction with the shooting?

Why did the station wagon lights flash just before the horn beeped twice, the second time being an instant before Ruby’s gun went off?

You can focus on the incredible shooting skills of that weirdo Oswald all day, but the real questions that have never been answered have been ignored, and so not at all answered.

What we saw before our eyes was a crime being committed on live TV, and it is rarely touched upon on threads such as this.

It is true that I believe the shooting stuff is a bunch of crap, but I am not asking about that right now

Go ahead and change my position to one where I am clearly not able to argue. I dunno crap about guns and rifles.

It will not be the first time it has happened out here.

Oswald was murdered as part of a conspiracy that involved killing JFK, and you are going to keep talking about what a great Marine shooter he was.

Please......I already heard this dumb stuff, many times.

I saw the tapes of the Zapruder films, and no rational person will ever conclude that JFK was shot from behind.

I cannot for the life of me figure out just why a thinking person would want to get aboard that train that leads to the absurd conclusion that Oswald acted alone.

I do not want to insult you just because you choose to insult my intelligence, so then lets simply agree to disagree, and I'll move on to some other thread on a different subject matter.

[Buckeye Battle Cry]

You’re a good man Shooter. I appreciate your efforts to help me understand.

[Shooter 2.5]

I dunno crap about guns and rifles.

I saw the tapes of the Zapruder films, and no rational person will ever conclude that JFK was shot from behind.

Only those who know about guns and rifles can understand the Zapruder film.

[Shooter 2.5]

And I appreciate you willingness to understand.

I visited the Sixth Floor Museum about a year after I arrived in Dallas. When I looked out the window, I realized it was a murder scene. I still don’t care about the politics or the urban legends. Someone was murdered by gunfire and I wanted to know how it happened.

It wasn’t out of a manhole. Too low.
It wasn’t off the overpass because there was a crowd of railroad workers and two police officers.
It wasn’t from the grassy knoll because Zapruder filmed from there and no one standing with him saw anyone.

That left the sixth floor and the testimony of the two clerks on the fifth.
Plus the trajectories.
Plus the Zapruder film.
Plus the the testimony of Mrs Connelly and the Governor.
Plus more pictures, testimony and hard physical evidence.

It took awhile.

[Radix]

I really really do not want to argue about this stuff at length.

Honest.

But, The Zapruder film is really not limited to the sharpshooting possibilities and the angles that the Book Depositary provided.

There was that umbrella guy, and the little girl running, and of course the later evidence of the curbstone damage, and more, but clearly...you are not interested in my bringing up any of that stuff.

So let me reiterate, you have some agenda, and I am plainly not interested in it.

You get to have the last word here, because without a doubt, you are going to have at least one more thing to add concerning this subject.

That is OK with me because I already know everything that I need to know about you and your views.

Have a nice day.

[rlmorel]

Hm. I had never watched the Zapruder film before I downloaded it last night.

It does NOT seem to me that his body is thrown back into the seat. It seems that the bullet blows out his skull, and he falls back against the seat.

I really don’t see where people think he is thrown back against the seat, whether viewed at full speed or frame by frame.

His head barely moves as the tissue exits out the top.

Just my opinion.

[tenthirteen]

Perhaps you did not read my post, or, rather, chose to ignore it. In that post, I stated that I am not a conspiritorialist. I do not aspire to the kook fringes. Simply put, I choose not to believe in the Warren Commission's report, yet I have no proof of who perpetrated this crime.

Perhaps you do?

[rlmorel]

"...How did that shooter get so close to him in a police station?..."

Apparently, he was quite chummy with the police. According to Buglosi (and apparently, the Warren Commission) Ruby was a frequent visitor to the inside of the Police station on a social basis. He purchased a stack of ten Pastrami sandwiches to bring down to the station that day, and just walked in. they all knew him. He apparently would go down there and give the cops free passes to his clubs...

He tried to go into the room where Oswald was being interogated (tried the doorknob) and a couple of the detectives stopped him and said something like "Jack, you can't go in there..." but they didn't kick him out.

Sounds like they all knew him.

[Radix]

Your post really gives me no new information.

You are exactly correct though.

I have always been troubled by the FACT that the Dallas Police Department did not see fit to raise their level of vigilance in late November 1963.

Now this image below...that one gives me the creeps. Never mind the autopsy photos, which I have seen a few of.

 

 

Congressman Albert Thomas.....winking to LBJ on board Air Force 1, with the dead President below, and the just former (a few minutes ago) First Lady just beside.....

 

Scum......they are total scum....

 

 

[The KG9 Kid]

Lee Harvey Oswald thought up the murder of President Kennedy on short notice as the opportunity presented itself, and he did it all by himself.

That's exactly what the sum total of the evidence proves.

[rlmorel]

As someone who has taken a lot of photographs of people, I don’t find it particularly creepy since I don’t know if the guy is winking or not...if it were a video file, then yeah. But I have a boatload of images of people with thier eyes doing strange things in the normal course of having their picture taken.

Lady Bird does look kind of inexplicably...happy. Maybe she knew something we didn’t.

[The KG9 Kid]

"... There was that umbrella guy..."

Yeah, see. Now this is what Shooter 2.5 and myself are talking about (at least on the previous JFK threads over the years here at FR) where we note that just about every single conspiracist we counter here in the forum is woefully or deliberately ignorant of the basic facts in the case as examined by the Warren Commission and the later House investigation of 1978.

You bring up just this sort of point: Do you know the identity of 'The Umbrella Man', why he was carrying an umbrella in Dallas in November along the parade route, and why he unfurled it?

The man has a name and an identity and was investigated to the HSCA's satisfaction.

Please tell us what you know about him and what role you think that he played, if any, in the murder of JFK.

[Ditter]

Ladybird knew she was first lady and Jackie wasn’t. Maybe that is the reason for the smile but having read what the Kennedys thought about the Johnsons, I would call it a smirk.

[Radix]

He was winking.

Go and peruse the images all over the Internet.....you’ll see.

I saw this stuff way before the Internet was even avant garde.

Lady Bird was back then typical....clueless.

Curious, it has taken me just about half a century of living...in order for me to come to the place where I can discern cynicism from naivete.

In those days, women were kept out of the equations, and though stupid, that was how it was done.

Times have changed, and women are now better off, and well represented. Praise God!

[word_warrior_bob]

I wish everyone who believes Oswald didn’t kill Kennedy would read Case Closed and now Bugliosi’s new book, and THEN try and tell us about their “theories”.

The Kennedy Assasination is the best proof about repeating a lie over and over again and that ANYONE can be brainwashed and/or duped.

Oswald killed Kennedy as sure as OJ killed Ron and Nicole, but many freepers and most of Americans believe otherwise.

[Radix]

I was introduced to this subject matter when I was about 14 years old.

I do not need a college degree to tell me that my eyes can see things.

You can tell me about why the umbrella guy was standing there....and the rest, since you know so much about the incident. Mr. Expert.

Some guy just happens to be opening an umbrella in front of the precise spot where a shooter (who was part of a conspiracy, maybe) blew a hole in the head of our President, and you suggest that is perfectly ordinary on a day when it ain’t wasn’t even raining.

Were you a Draft Dodger as well?

Go away.

[word_warrior_bob]

I think its plausible that Oswald got off all shots but for sure he was not acting alone. I think the mob and KGB were in cahoots - maybe Johnson too.

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Here is an example of someone EXTREMELY intellecutally lazy.

In your first post you say conspiracy......riiiiggghht, as if you actually know something about the case, and are totally dismissive of the poster.

Then you remove all doubt that you know ANYTHING about the case with this ridiculous “theory”.

Proof that many freepers have been duped on this subject. Totally dismissive of all of the evidence, no knowledge of anything AND a theory of the MOB, the KGB, AND the Vice President in an unholy cabal. Substitute a wacked out 9/11 conspiracy and we’re talking DU material here.

When you say riggghtt and plan on being dismissive and smug towards another freeper, you might want to know ANYTHING about what you’re talking about, which you obviously don’t.

Allow me to apologize for you to Shooter 2.5.