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To: nativist

One of the reasons that illegals are still a big problem is that our side doesn`t realize that not all Americans agree with us. There are major portions of the country that don`t think we should kick them out. In fact, put it on the ballot in any state and it will lose and lose big. But when the politicians listen to the majority, we go nuts. “They are selling the country out. They`er traitors, the fat cats win again”; we scream. AND NO AMNESTY.
Then, when some Republican politicians don`t agree with us 100%, we act as if they are the only ones making decisions, and give the Rats a free ride. But we don`t stop there, no, we get even dumber. Wer are going to get even with Republicans by withholding money and staying home on election day. That will teach`em! Of course that will mean that the people that are against every thing we stand for will run America for at least 4 years. But thats OK, we don`t compromise.


115 posted on 05/31/2007 3:17:35 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: neverhillorat
Very few people here have called for the deportation of all illegal aliens. How about simply putting some minor speed bumps along the road for them in our legal processes -- like two simple ones: 1) no illegal alien can have legal standing in a civil court, and 2) any illegal alien convicted of a felony must serve a mandatory ten-year sentence on top of whatever sentence they receive for their crime. I'd venture to guess that a proposal like that would get overwhelming support from U.S. voters.

A country that can't even define a clear difference between an illegal alien and a law-abiding citizen IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER is out of its freaking mind.

128 posted on 05/31/2007 3:21:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: neverhillorat

Just 16% Believe Senate Bill Will Reduce Illegal Immigration

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1842703/posts

There’s a simple reason the immigration bill being debated by the U.S. Senate is unpopular with voters—the general public doesn’t believe it will reduce illegal immigration. And, in the minds of most voters, that’s what immigration reform is all about.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 16% of American voters believe illegal immigration will decline if the Senate bill is passed. Seventy-four percent (74%) disagree. That figure includes 41% who believe the Senate bill will actually lead to an increase in illegal immigration.

If voters had a chance to improve the legislation, 75% would “make changes to increase border security measures and reduce illegal immigration.” Just 29% would” make it easier for illegal immigrants to stay in the country and eventually become citizens.”

Voters who believe that the current bill will succeed in reducing illegal immigration favor its passage by a 51% to 31% margin. Those who believe the bill will lead to even more illegal immigration oppose its passage by a 70% to 12% margin.

Overall, despite a major push by the President and others over the past week, support for the Senate bill has not increased at all. In polling conducted last night (Tuesday, May 29), 26% of voters favor passage of the bill. That’s unchanged from the 26% support found in polling conducted the previous Monday and Tuesday. Forty-eight percent (48%) of voters remain opposed.

Eighty-one percent (81%) of American voters are closely following news stories about the issue, including 37% who are following it Very Closely. Those with the highest interest in the issue oppose the legislation by a 3-to-1 margin (69% to 23%). By a 55% to 15% margin, those following the story Very Closely believe the bill will lead to increased levels of illegal immigration.

Unaffiliated voters are now more opposed to the bill than either Republicans or Democrats. Among those who don’t identify with either of the major parties, 22% support the Senate bill while 57% are opposed.

Some supporters of the bill have tried to suggest it is politically popular by citing polling data for selected features of the bill. However, President Bush yesterday implicitly acknowledged the strong public opposition to the bill by stating that elected officials will need political “courage” to pass the measure. Senator Jon Kyl (R), a major supporter of the legislation, acknowledged in interviews that the lack of support measured by Rasmussen Reports is an accurate reflection of the public mood.

Rasmussen Reports polling, like that of other firms, has found that Americans may be willing to accept a compromise proposal that includes legalizing the status of the 12 million illegal aliens already living in the United States. Sixty-five percent (65%) said they would accept such a compromise provided that it accomplished the primary goal of reducing illegal immigration. However, arguing about the nuances of amnesty, guest-worker programs and other provisions will do nothing to build popular support without proof that the government is serious about controlling the border.

Seventy-two percent (72%) of voters believe it is Very Important for “the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and reduce illegal immigration.”

Many times, voters doubt that reasonable alternatives exist. But, 68% of Americans believe it is possible to reduce illegal immigration while just 20% disagree. A New York Times/CBS News poll found a similar result—82% believe the federal government could do more to reduce illegal immigration.

The belief that the issue could be addressed adds to the frustration of those who oppose the Senate bill. Sixty-six percent (66%) believe it doesn’t make sense to debate new immigration laws until we can first control our borders and enforce existing laws.


148 posted on 05/31/2007 3:25:56 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: neverhillorat

The Republicans can still win in ‘08. All they have to do is kill this abomination.


164 posted on 05/31/2007 3:32:40 PM PDT by de meanr (Hunter / Thompson 08 - Fear and Loathing in DC)
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To: neverhillorat
But thats OK, we don`t compromise.

I don't compromise on guns, nor illegal immigration. I hold my nose on everything else. Because I know that without the guns, we have no chance. I also know that if this illegal invasion continues, we have no country.

177 posted on 05/31/2007 3:39:56 PM PDT by badbass
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To: neverhillorat
But when the politicians listen to the majority, we go nuts.

Geez. Do you understand the least thing about governance?

197 posted on 05/31/2007 3:47:49 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: neverhillorat
There are major portions of the country that don`t think we should kick them out.

That's a load, you spilled.

Name some major portions..... And don't be naming Santa Ana, CA, or Chula Vista, CA...either.

In fact, put it on the ballot in any state and it will lose and lose big.

Now if that's a fact I'm Babe Ruth....LOL!!

279 posted on 05/31/2007 4:12:49 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Gun exchange programs would work great if they gave you a gun when you handed in a criminal.)
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To: neverhillorat
One of the reasons that illegals are still a big problem is that our side doesn`t realize that not all Americans agree with us. There are major portions of the country that don`t think we should kick them out.

A. I don't know of anyone calling to "kick them out". Big difference between a mass deportation and amnesty.

B. Huge majorities of BOTH RATS and the GOP want the borders secure and no amnesty, upwards of 70% of those polled.
327 posted on 05/31/2007 4:51:24 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: neverhillorat
"...we get even dumber."

Speak for yourself.

333 posted on 05/31/2007 4:58:44 PM PDT by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: neverhillorat

Are you a Democrat? Or are you a Rudy supporter? Some people have to start somewhere, obviously, they are counting on the people like you to perpetuate the fraud!

Most are against illegal immigration, you are one of the fooled sell outs!

Very sad.


347 posted on 05/31/2007 5:05:17 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: neverhillorat

We survived 4 years of Carter and 8 years of Clinton we can survive another liberal president, be it Hillary or Rudy. Both are cut from the same cloth, and will damage the country equally.

Better to kill the republican party now and start a new, Conservative Party if we are to have any hope of a Conservative leader to emerge for 2012.


380 posted on 05/31/2007 5:27:00 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: neverhillorat
In fact, put it on the ballot in any state and it will lose and lose big.

Initiatives to cut illegal aliens from receiving government benefits have passed by significant margins. The majority may not want to bar absolutely all immigration, but that doesn't mean there's anything near a majority that wants to open the floodgates.

I would like a politician to explain why someone who sneaks into the U.S. should be treated in any way better than someone who applies for a legitimate visa. All the proposals I've seen reward illegal immigrants for the time they've spent illegally within the U.S. Can anyone explain why this is a good idea?

471 posted on 05/31/2007 6:50:38 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: neverhillorat

Explain to me how supporting Republicans will prevent the disaster you mention. President Bush and the Republicans are behind this bill. They could have stopped it in the Senate using the cloture vote as the Dems have often done. They are in favor of this bill...I fail to see how it could get worse under Democrats.

In fact, it feels like we are living under Dem rule right now-hate crime bill, Bush just promised billions of dollars in Aids money to Africa which we all know will merely enrich the despots and do nothing to help the African people, Bush is inviting Gore to the Whitehouse and plans to move forward on global warming, taxes will go up, the immigration bill will destroy this country and of course political correctness in Iraq where our soldiers are prosecuted for fighting back. Give me one reason why I should support anyone in the GOP?

I can tell you hate Hillary. I don’t like her either. However, I fail to see how she could be worse than Bush. Even the healthcare garbage will be absolutely needed after they grant amnesty to 20 million illegals and give our jobs away to H1 workers. America is worth saving. I do not believe the Republican Party can be helpful. I don’t know what the answer is, but supporting GOP candidates year after year while they sell out our country is not the answer.

The Dems want to give our country away. The Repubs want to sell it. Either way, the America I love will be destroyed. Americans deserve better than either of these corrupt, lame, awful parties.


719 posted on 06/01/2007 6:35:10 AM PDT by nyconse
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