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A World Without Public Schools
Weekly Standard ^ | 6/4/7 | David Gelernter

Posted on 05/31/2007 8:02:17 AM PDT by ZGuy

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1 posted on 05/31/2007 8:02:19 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

bump for later


2 posted on 05/31/2007 8:06:13 AM PDT by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: ZGuy

Bump for later. This looks promising — hope I’m not disappointed when I read it.


3 posted on 05/31/2007 8:06:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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The government school monopoly makes as much sense as the old Soviet grocery system “Universam”.


4 posted on 05/31/2007 8:07:41 AM PDT by fishtank (Dynasties should only exist in soaps from the 1980s.)
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To: ZGuy

Long article, but I think the gist is the same as my solution:

Public funding - parental choice.
Schools get better by competing for the $$.

The main argument you’ll hear from the left is that some parents are too incompetent and lazy to choose a good school for their kids. This is the rest of our problem, in what way?


5 posted on 05/31/2007 8:12:23 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ZGuy

Theoretically, he makes sense. Practically speaking, I don’t see any respected leader raising the possibility of abolition. While some public schools are so bad that they are hated by everyone, many (especially in rural and suburban areas) are liked and even loved by the locals. The disdain for public education doesn’t seem to translate to disdain for the local school.


6 posted on 05/31/2007 8:13:34 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: metmom

ping


7 posted on 05/31/2007 8:13:44 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: ZGuy

the problem here is this: as soon as you try to change the public school system, the conservatives will be painted as enemies of public schools even if their proposals are sound.

they will crash and burn if they try this. There is no will in the public about shutting down the public school system. You think the GOP looks bad after this immigration debacle? wait until they move against public schools


8 posted on 05/31/2007 8:14:37 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: ZGuy

The education Unions are almost more of a problem than the schools. Close down the unions, impose pay for performance and you’ll see a big change. Also get rid of tenure. How many of you folks have tenure on your jobs? Even politicians don’t have tenure.


9 posted on 05/31/2007 8:20:09 AM PDT by RC2
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To: ClearCase_guy

You will be disappointed. He calls for public funding of private schools. Any idea where that might lead ?


10 posted on 05/31/2007 8:28:06 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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A Slippery Slop. Our public schools have become a failed social experiment. I am in favor of vouchers but if our government is involved, vouchers will be allowed for private Islamic terror institutes, Spanish only campuses, and every liberal life style choice school imaginable. Society itself usually dictates what education should be, but our society has become so diverse (thank you multiculturalism) it has allowed itself to spiral out of control.


11 posted on 05/31/2007 8:29:17 AM PDT by WesternPacific
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To: ZGuy

Wow, very convincing.


12 posted on 05/31/2007 8:29:32 AM PDT by wearearepublic
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The only problem I see with this is the taxpayer’s money will go to the parent in the form of a voucher. Fine, but then the parent uses that money for a private education...so what kind of private education are we going to fund.

Up until now the big controversy has been “should public money go to private religious organizations, i.e. Christian private schools.” And if we allow the $$$ to be paid to private Christian schools, then will the money also be used for private Islamic schools as well.

And who is going to “police” the content of what is taught in the private school...are we willing to have taxpayer dollars go to an Islamic school that might teach anti-Americanism.

The whole discussion definitely raises lots of questions.


13 posted on 05/31/2007 8:29:56 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: ClearCase_guy; ZGuy
Thank you, ZG, for posting this. I assure you, CC, that it will reward you amply for the time you spend reading it. This is a long, and VERY thoughtful analysis of why we have public schools to begin with, and why they are today failing their purpose.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Dick Strain Cashes In His Chips"

14 posted on 05/31/2007 8:30:45 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please visit www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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Public funding = public school. With public funding will come mandates, requirements, accountability to lefty bureaucrats and countless other special intest groups like the homosexual lobby.

Public funding of education = government indoctrination, period.


15 posted on 05/31/2007 8:31:46 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: dawn53

Why would you want the government to police education ? They already do, and we have our failed gov’t indoctrination centers as a result.

Now you think we should do the same thing to private schools ?

Get the government out of education and return the responsibility to parents.


16 posted on 05/31/2007 8:34:37 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: ZGuy

As a former educator who specialized in adult remediation, I will say with little hesitation that public schools (with some few exceptions) suck.

As a parent with troubled childen, who saw what decent public schools do to kids, I reiterate, public schools suck.

(opinion #1 was made before my parenting days, btw. Opinion #2 just reinforced it.)

If I ever have to raise any other children, they will NOT go to public school. Period.


17 posted on 05/31/2007 8:36:39 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Unfortunately his recommended solution is as bad as the current situation.


18 posted on 05/31/2007 8:36:41 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

My ideal(istic) solution would cut a check to the parents, and they would decide, based on their own criteria, where to apply that check with no further gov’t input.

I’m coming at this from the point of view of a parent who gives a damn about how his child is educated, and will make informed choices.

BTW, we’re homeschooling to avoid the whole indoctrination mess.


19 posted on 05/31/2007 8:41:02 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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public schools would work, and used to work, when they were public schools... run by communities, local neighborhoods... but once everything became federalized, they became government schools... neighborhoods/parents no longer have a say in what they want taught in their schools... they have no say in who the teachers are... they have no say in how the money is spent... so the money goes to the very tip top and trickles its way down into the classrooms... government education is a failure...


20 posted on 05/31/2007 8:41:21 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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