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Fury as 90,000 police officers caught speeding are 'let off'[UK]
Daily Mail ^ | 29 May 2007 | James Slack

Posted on 05/31/2007 6:19:21 AM PDT by BGHater

Only 354 of 90,000 police caught on camera speeding or jumping red lights last year were punished.

Last night forces were accused of double standards after it emerged that only one in 200 officers was fined or given points, compared with 84 per cent of ordinary drivers.

In a quarter of the cases the police cars had their blue lights flashing, suggesting officers were attending an emergency.

However, nearly all of the rest had the slate wiped clean by senior police, saving them from three points on their licence and a £60 fine.

Managers have the discretion to cancel tickets if an officer can persuade them they had a good reason for speeding, such as pursuing a suspect or trying to find a witness.

But critics point out motorists enjoy no such rights and that if they want to challenge a fixed penalty notice they must go to court.

They also say the disparity between the figures raises the suspicion that thousands of officers are being let off even if they do not have a valid excuse for speeding.

Dianne Ferreira, spokesman for road safety charity Brake, said: "Police officers should not be speeding in the first place.

"They should be setting an example and they should have to face the force of the law like everybody else when they break the rules."

Edmund King, of the RAC Foundation, said that even if more than a quarter of the cases were emergencies, the figures still appeared "excessive".

He added: "Speed cameras are there for a reason and they should apply to all motorists."

Paul Smith, founder of the Safespeed campaign, said: "These figures will add considerably to the public suspicion that 'It's one rule for them and another for the rest of us'."

The figures, obtained under Freedom of Information laws, cover 28 police forces in England and Wales.

Police said there were 90,480 incidents of speed or traffic cameras being "activated" by their vehicles. The number of officers actually served with a fixed penalty notice was 354.

The total number of officers who have escaped a penalty is likely to be much higher, as there are 43 police forces and figures were unavailable for the remaining 15.

The percentage of fixed penalty notices issued varied dramatically from force to force.

In 2006 in Avon and Somerset 863 police cars were caught on camera and 54 officers ended up paying £60 fixed penalty fines, a total of 6.2 per cent.

But in Thames Valley, more than 4,000 police cars were captured speeding or jumping red lights - and not one officer was issued with a ticket.

The largest totals related to the Metropolitan Police where 48,222 police cars activated cameras and 57 officers ended up with £60 fines and having three points on their licence - a mere 0.1 per cent.

Not all officers found to be at fault were issued with fixed penalty notices. Some were issued with written warnings while others were ordered to attend speed awareness workshops.

The figures will heighten concern that officers routinely drive too fast.

There are around 20,000 accidents involving police cars, vans or motorcycles each year. A quarter occur while the vehicles are involved in an emergency call or in pursuit, rather than on routine duties.

Last year, there were 48 deaths in accidents involving police cars.

A spokesman for the Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers, said: "There's an expectation that officers should get to the scene of an incident as quickly as they can.

"Safety is paramount for all members of the public but sometimes officers have to break speed limits or go through red lights.

"But at the same time common sense must prevail. It doesn't give officers carte blanche to be a danger to the public.

"Risks will continue to be there but all our officers are trained to have the peak level of skills and are held accountable when there is an accident."

The Association of Chief Police Officers said each case of an officer being caught by a speed camera should be treated on its merits.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: castesystem; police; speeding; uk
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1 posted on 05/31/2007 6:19:24 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

This is news?...........Happens all over the world...........


2 posted on 05/31/2007 6:21:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: BGHater

There are 90,000 cops in UK? That seems like a lot police for a nation of that size.

That’s bigger than the British Army, is it not?


3 posted on 05/31/2007 6:22:31 AM PDT by RexBeach (Americans never quit. -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Red Badger

Like they never knew this?

Where is the surprise?


4 posted on 05/31/2007 6:23:31 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I'm gonna vote for Fred. John Bolton for VP.)
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To: RexBeach

Ah, but the Tommies don’t have to deal with ‘football’ hooligans.


5 posted on 05/31/2007 6:24:13 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: BGHater

Makes me wonder WHO is (dumb enough to be) furious about this.


6 posted on 05/31/2007 6:25:37 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: BGHater

There are Lords, and there are peasants. The one is not bound by the laws that apply to the other.


7 posted on 05/31/2007 6:30:15 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: sgtbono2002

They’re jealous. Journalists want special treatment, too. After all, they have to speed to the site of the news so they can report about it, don’t they?........


8 posted on 05/31/2007 6:36:27 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: RexBeach

Not just 90,000 cops in the UK. That’s the number who were caught speeding, by their big-brother camera system. That means there are WAY more than this in the UK, in total.


9 posted on 05/31/2007 6:38:14 AM PDT by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: jim35

Right you are! I just figured that out. I need more coffee this morning!

That’s a lot of constables!


10 posted on 05/31/2007 6:46:27 AM PDT by RexBeach (Americans never quit. -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: BGHater; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
"Last night forces were accused of double standards after it emerged that only one in 200 officers was fined or given points, compared with 84 per cent of ordinary drivers."





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11 posted on 05/31/2007 7:03:17 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: BGHater

“”Risks will continue to be there but all our officers are trained to have the peak level of skills and are held accountable when there is an accident.””

Sounds like the excuse when our cops shoot themselves in the foot or their daughter at night. We all know how well our cops shoot and drive.


12 posted on 05/31/2007 7:11:56 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: BGHater

Ah, just curious, but how do you go about catching 90,000 police officers speeding or running red lights? Other police officers catch them and write them tickets? Do the public have radar guns? Oh, I’ll bet it’s those pesky automatic speeding and red light cameras that are popping up everywhere. If so, it’s an interesting case of unintended consequences—the police want the automated cameras, and the police are the ones at the center of the controversy. The outcome will obviously be that the city pays for the tickets of their officers and the fines go to the city.


13 posted on 05/31/2007 7:54:28 AM PDT by MinimizeGovernment (cynic: One who knows that political decisions are always made in the self-interest of the politician)
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To: BGHater

I hope no one spent a lot of money on this study.

Actually, I’ve kind of given up caring that cops get away with speeding (and sometimes other crimes). It’s a job perq. Airline employees get free flights, Starbucks employees get free coffee - and cops get a pass on speeding.

I just wish they would skip the sanctimony when they pull over the peasantry. Stick to the minimum of the script, hand over the ticket, and let us be on our way.


14 posted on 05/31/2007 8:23:16 AM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Turbopilot
That might be the case with those private companies but to compare it to our public sector saying it’s okay to get a pass because they are a cop. Come on.
15 posted on 05/31/2007 8:25:49 AM PDT by BGHater (“Every little bit of good I may do, let me do it now for I may not come this way again.ÂÂ)
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To: BGHater

I don’t like it. But what I think it comes down to is bad law s themselves. Cops aren’t dumb as a group; they realize they’re being used as tax collectors, and they’re not going to enforce those bad laws against “one of their own”. I’m not saying it’s right, per se; just that it’s hard to blame them.


16 posted on 05/31/2007 8:56:12 AM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: jim35

‘Not just 90,000 cops in the UK. That’s the number who were caught speeding, by their big-brother camera system. That means there are WAY more than this in the UK, in total.’

The UK has 123,826 police officers. For comparison, the US has five times the population of the UK and has 675,734 police officers.
Many of the 90,000 officers caught speeding were caught on multiple ocassions as city centre officers might be caught on camera 10 times a day, whereas a rural officer may be caught once a month.


17 posted on 05/31/2007 9:05:36 AM PDT by britemp
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To: Turbopilot

I like the way you think. Nothing is worse than a 22 yo martinet cop, still wet behind the ears,telling a 65 yo how he should be driving. Then he pulls off and drives 70 in a 55 zone to get to the donut shop. Or to get back to his favorite radar hideout to nail someone else.


18 posted on 05/31/2007 9:52:46 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I'm gonna vote for Fred. John Bolton for VP.)
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To: Red Badger
Everybody in this country is now either a cop or a perpetrator.

Test it sometime.

19 posted on 05/31/2007 8:01:37 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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