Posted on 05/30/2007 11:07:49 AM PDT by avacado
"What happens to the GOP if amnesty is enacted?"
It's a peculiar question given the posts I have read since before, and after, the 2006 mid-term elections regarding teaching Republicans a lesson. My Houston, Texas Congressman (John Culberson) and two Texas Senators fought hard against the amnesty immigration bills. But since the Republicans are being "taught a lesson" by ultra-conservatives these fine conservatives who represent me in both Houses have been sidelined. So by teaching the Republicans a lesson what did you expect other than for amnesty to pass? It's sort of a captain obvious moment, don't cha'think! Reduce the Republicans to a minority in both Houses and expect for amnesty to not pass!?
Who exactly is being taught a lesson?
Take your head out of your a**. We got amnesty from our Repulican(so called anyway)president and we have Rino Republicans pushing it. 2006 has nothing to do with it. Bush has wanted this since he was elected in 2000. This is the lesson we learned in 2006: Don’t vote for Rinos, hold true to conservative principals. Either force the republicans to become the conservatives they are supposed to be or abandon the party and start a new one.
I agree with almost everything you wrote except for the last part. The Republicans in both Houses were voting against any type of amnesty bills.
And if this is his idea of boolean logic, I hope to hell I never get automated driving directions from code he wrote. He'll have me going off a bridge faster than Ted Kennedy.
I was a Republican until last year when they tried to push amnesty through. No more - I vote for the conservative candidate. If neither party can produce one, I vote for third party or I skip that vote. Very simple.
There's certainly nothing conservative about adding 10 million taxpayer-funded freeloaders to our country.
You need to read the original post. Your posts show confusion of the subject.
Wouldn't it be ironic if a La Raza party emerged?
Then you'd have the Dems, La Raza, the Greens, the Lame'tarians, the Constitution Party...and the Pansy Pachyderm Party
Avacado said: We? Do you always hide behind people?
Well he has at least one other person here,me, who doesn't give a crap if you are a computer scientist so I guess "WE" is very apporpriate.
I've read the post.
You, however, both admit your contradictions yet refuse to address them.
So do me a favor. Send me a freepmail to tell me what company you do software engineering for. If your coding logic is as flawed as your political logic, I want to make damn sure I never have to rely on anything you've worked on for anything important.
Sorry, but the Republicans in both Houses were voting against the amnesty bills. That's on record. Right now the Republicans can't stop it so they are stuffing it with bits of pork for the respective districts and states and letting it sail through. What did you expect?
I’ll need to read the rest of the comments later. Bump.
Your premise is faulty. The GOP wasn’t taught a lesson by conservatives, it was taught a lesson by soccermoms who want their boys to come home from Iraq and they couldn’t vote against GWB.
I’ve seen this kind of faulty logic from people who consider themselves logical in outlook. That’s why people will endlessly attack your premises, especially if they are as weak as the one you used. It’s akin to attacking a 3 headed dog with a 2-pronged pitchfork. Basically, you’re dealing with an INDUCTIVE pursuit when you talk politics, rather than a DEDUCTIVE pursuit like computer science. So you need to use inductive reasoning, which is similar to deductive reasoning but you end up with probabilities rather than proofs.
What will happen to the GOP? Well, in the long run, we’ll probably see 40M new citizens, the great majority of whom will vote democrat. The GOP will be a minority party for 2 generations or so. The country shifts leftward in a major way.
You must be pretty dumb to have voted the way you did.
Beat me by that much!
No, we don't agree. Bush never ran on open borders. And there is much more in this bill than just immediately legalizing the status of 12 to 20 million illegals.
Bush backed down from supporting the House 2006 Enforcement first bill. Sensenbrenner: Bush Turned Back on Bill
The real question is why a Rep President would go against the majority of his own party and side with the Democrats. This bill transcends partisan politics in terms of its impact. Besides splitting the Rep Party and hurting our chances in 2008 and beyond, the bill sows the seeds of our future destruction. If it passes, it is game over and our country is finished as we know it. And the sad part is that we have a Rep President who is putting the final nail into the coffin. If a Dem had been President, I doubt that it would pass given the Dems desire to make this a "bipartisan" bill.
No matter what happens with the legislation, the reality is not going to change. It will be a case of whom do you believe, the politicians' spin or your own lyin' eyes? If the GOP had played this correctly, it could have been a winning issue for us. We are on the right side of the issue in tgerms of American public opinion. Traditional Dem constituencies like labor union personnel and African-Americans are going to bear the brunt of this bill in the form of depressed wages and loss of jobs.
Wrong question. The real question is why did the party piss away the election. I held my nose and voted, but nonetheless I blame the party, not the voters. No offense, but I watched the party sabatoge and crap on conservative candidates.
The sitting President is the head of, and power broker in the party establishment. Responsibility for party efforts to not support and in some cases derail conservatives in the primaries goes all the way to the top.
As regards amnesty, the most powerful Republican in the country is all for it and pushing it down our throats. Bush is working directly with the Dems to get amnesty. I’m really tired of the voters being blamed for CORRUPT Republicans and a corrupt Republican party organization.
This whole thing has been a done deal for years. Just a matter of codifing it.
When I lived in Polk County FL, the county held a referendum on a 6¢ per gallon local gas tax. The voters sent it down in flames. Later the county commission quietly passed it with a 6 month delay before it took effect. Right under the radar. Over the next two elections (commissioner’s terms are staggered) we threw out every one of the five that did it and replaced them with “Republicans”. The replacements then passed a 27% property tax increase at the end of 2005, along with other “fee” increases.
Would you like to know how it feels when, as a Republican, one goes to the polls in Polk County?
When I moved there in 1979 there was no Republican Party there. Dem primaries were the general election. Ten years before that you were told you couldn’t register as a Republican! In twenty years with hard work and dedication we built a Republican dominated county. And got shiat on big time for our efforts.
If that is false, then so be it.
***It is false. You might want to resubmit your original argument rather than continue to build upon it.
The 2006 Senate bill had he Reps voting 32-23 AGAINST it and the Dems voting 38-4 against it. So although it is true that the Reps voted against amnesty in both Houses, the Senate bill would never have passed or even been voted upon without Rep support.
We'll probably be an even stronger country in the future. In-breeding usually produces less than desired offspring.
But, as you already noted, what lost the election for the GOP in 2006 was swing voters. So what's your point?
But I question why anyone is surprised that amnesty passed
Uh, amnesty has NOT yet passed, Mr. Master of the Boolean Universe (and last I checked, passed/not passed was quite Boolean in nature).
given that the Republicans in both Houses voted against it as a majority and now as a minority it matters little how they vote because the DEMs and Bush will pass it.
Quite a few freshman House Dems ran to the right of pubbies on illegal immigration. So GOP/Dem is NOT Boolean here.
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