We lost the war, when our military was ordered to “win their hearts and minds.”
As a soldier for 20 years, I supported this war in Iraq in every way possible.
Today, it is time for our heroes to come home.
You are fully entitled to your own mistaken opinions.
Really? Who won?
Not until we win.
you have some very valid points and the constant redeploymnets are difficult too.
Its really hard to win a PC war and then not have no draft.
And it won’t get any easier in the future. The left has so brainwashed citizens about “how’ to fight a war and ‘who the heck is the enemy” ( here or there.).
The war was lost when the military refused to obey the order.
It's called keeping the peace. Just because the UN is so bad at it doesn't mean that sometimes it needs to be done. And it doesn'r mean "kill anybody that looks at you funny"
Let me guess, you're John Murtha's son........Obviously you wasted 20 years of your life, sorry to hear that.
While you are entitled to your opinion, you nevertheless are not welcome in this locker room during halftime where the rest of us with positive attitudes are planning for our ultimate victory..........
We have no room for your defeatist attitude and do not wish to be associated with those who share your same cowardly stance.
Do not despair, our internal enemy did this story....imagine the NY Slimes as Tokyo Rose and it becomes clear..the motive.
If our soldiers come home without a victory, it'll be the third time after Vietnam and Iran/Lebanon. For one half of a century we have not won a war (I don't count Grenada). That is why these wars continue and now came to our soil.
It is certainly not our heroes who lost those wars but the public that did not support them properly; and the politicians who, pandering to the public, undermined the soldiers. We have not let our military to fight in Vietnam, and we are not letting them to do their job in Iraq.
Instead of bringing them home, we should allow them to fight rather than be nannies. They will easily have victory and can SAFELY come home without a need to return.
This country will not allow them to do so until Los Angeles becomes uninhabitable due to a nuclear blast.
“Today, it is time for our heroes to come home.”
And fight the war where? Your back yard?
Just because the idiots in charge decided to not let the military kill people and break things in a BIG way, (the only thing Haji understands) doesn’t mean that we are not in a war of survival.
Listen to what Haji says and tell me, honestly, that we can dare walk away.
So the scum sucking socialist maggots at the NYT think they can demoralize our troops.
Why should you help them?
Think this through man, there is no alternative. Unless you like your old lady dressed head to toe in black, growing a mandated beard, and kneeling on the ground five times a day.
If that’s the case, I hope that boot heel rests easy on your neck.
As for me, I’d rather die.
Really Senator Reid? To who? What will that organization do when we leave? I thought only liberals were single layer thinkers?
I couldn’t agree more. Bring ‘em home now. Their families need them more than the iraqis do. It’s not our war to fight.
No, it’s time we take the “cuffs” off our heros and let them do their jobs. Then maybe they CAN come home.
Maybe we've lost the war because there is little or no censorship on news out of Iraq.
The severest censorship in journalists' memory was imposed during the Korean War...
Among other things, journalists were not allowed to quote officers without authorization.
Also journalists were placed under the jurisdiction of the army and were subject to courtmartial. They could not send dispatches which would lower morale or which were critical of the allies' conduct. They could not report casualties without approval (more at the link farther up in this post)
Bring our troops home huh?
Ok, yeah, I’ve heard quite a bit of that lately from the media, and some folks personally.
So, when our troops come home, that is it right, it’s all over?
You don’t think when we withdraw from Iraq, it will send the opposition in Iraq, into Afghanistan?
Or, how about we leave, what happens to the people in Iraq and Afghanistan? How many Vietnamese people do you suppose lived in the USA before Us troops withdrew? How would you feel about 7-10 million Iraqi and Afghan people in our country? Think about that, one in every 30 people in America, from those places....
And, when we withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan, you suppose the enemy will become friendly, peaceful? Yeah, no way they would wage fullscale warfare on Israel right? Nor would they coordinate offensives against America or US interests?
What is going on in Iraq right now, may not be pleasant, but surrendering to the enemy, or withdrawing if that is easier for you to say, will create its own set of circumstances.
The Let’s Surrender crowd never seems to have to discuss what happens after we pull out!?
So, should we bug out and lose the war or change tactics?
If bugging out has no strategic consequences were we really fighting to "free Iraq"?
If so, should we not be fighting to "free Darfur"?
The fact of the matter is that Iraq happens to be right in the middle of the region of the Planet Earth that contains 70% of the World's known oil reserves and, after Jimmy Cater bugged out of Iran in 1979, that region was threatened by both fanatical Islamists in Iran and a secular thug in Iraq, both of which were seeking nuclear weapons capabilities.
A Persian Gulf region, with 70% of the World's known oil reserves, controlled by a nuclear armed Saddan Hussein or by Iranian nuclear armed Islamist nutjobs would have created a U.S. and Western Civilization catastrophe of Biblical proportions.
Did you really think that the Gulf War was about "freeing Kuwait"?
If the U.S. bugs out of Iraq, Islamists of the most radical form will control 70% of the oil that fuels modern civilization. With Iranians in control of Iraq and with Iranian nuclear weapons with North Korean missiles delivery systems and no U.S. military presence in the region, reversing that situation will mean Israel and some European cities going up in mushroom clouds at best and, if we wait until their missile technology advances, a few U.S. cities going up in mushroom clouds at worst.
IMHO, George W. Bush will go down in History as a failed President because he is unwilling or incapable of addressing the issue of the catastrophic strategic consequences of failure in Iraq.
I just did.
We are not in Iraq to "help" some S.O.B. who is a Sergeant in the Iraqi Army. We are in Iraq defending U.S. strategic vital interests of the highest order.
Before the "Bug Out Brigade" joins the Democrats in wishing for an American defeat in Iraq, they should stop to consider the strategic consequences of what they are wishing for.
The British SAS used this tactic in Malaysia. This war lasted from 1950 through 1959. They succeeded in winning that war.
NY Times gives you the bad moments and skips all the rest.
And some here buy it.
Yeah, let's leave Iraq to Al Qaeda, right??
Pathetic.
The function of the American military is to kill people and break things. It is NOT to “win the hearts and minds of the people!”
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There’s way too much “sensitivity training” being conducted. I feel our troops are fighting with one hand tied behind their backs in this PC war.