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To: ColdWater
You keep evading the question.

I am not evading anything.

God was not created, He existed before time and created it.

So, now, how did the universe come into being, from nothing

178 posted on 05/30/2007 2:12:10 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
I am not evading anything. God was not created, He existed before time and created it.

Why did God wait an eternity before creating the universe and man?

189 posted on 05/30/2007 6:32:20 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: fortheDeclaration
"God was not created, He existed before time and created it."

And your evidence of this is?

If everything needs to have a creator, whether intelligent or not, then God also needs a creator. If God is outside time and outside the current requirement for a cause then what general laws above and beyond those of the universe limits the existence of an uncaused cause to just one being or thing?

You are simply making the conjecture that since everything in the universe must have a creator, and in fact that single thought gives you comfort in proving to yourself that a God exists, then the origin of the universe must have an uncreated creator, otherwise known as the one and only 'Uncaused Cause'.

However, for some reason, you ignore the physics which lead scientists to believe that the universe may not have needed a cause itself, because the current laws of cause and effect, as well as time, were not in effect until after that origin. The start of the universe is outside of time and space and does not need to be caused any more than, as you conjecture, your God does. The need for cause and effect is a result of the universe, not the other way around. The universe can be said to be our uncaused cause.

What criteria should we be using to decide between two (or more) potential uncaused causes? Is there some reason we should believe that God is the uncaused cause over any other?

200 posted on 05/30/2007 10:07:56 AM PDT by b_sharp (The last door on your right. Jiggle the handle.)
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