Posted on 05/25/2007 11:30:49 AM PDT by WBL 1952
Ed Schultz is hyping CA-40 gas additive on his radio show and is claiming a 10% mileage increase as a result of adding Calcium sulfonate mixed into an additive to gas.
Kind of humerous to hear left wing lunatic radio hawking gas additives. The "inventor's" "manufacturing plant" is apparently right there in Detroit Lakes, MN....not too far from Ed's home.
I saw someone hawking on another Forum and looked it up. Calcium Sulfonate appeared to me to be a detergent and corrosion preventer. It has been added to motor oil for years.
It is possible it works like Acetone. Burnt acetone in the exhaust fools the oxygen sensor into thinking the motor is running too rich so the PCM leans the intake mixture.
Then there’s my injector system that makes your car (and politicians) run on cow and sheep flatulence.
coming to a Myth Busters show next season, I suspect...
Ed Schultz was one of the local news sports anchors there. He wasn't a bad sports announcer, but wasn't particularly outstanding either.
Later on, he tried his hand at conservative talk radio. He didn't last because he lacked the talent.
Then he had a conversion to Lieberalism and suddenly, he went nationwide (albeit to a limited audience). It is not that he gained any talent.
It is just that he is like the very un-PC Jim Brady joke, to wit:
Q: How do you convert a Republican to a Democrat?
A: Shoot away half of his brain.
Bottom line is that Ed Schultz would hawk his own brand of condoms if you paid him the right price.
Ah yes. Justice Brothers tune-up in a can.
At $3.00 a 12 oz bottle, a Heineken is no replacement for gasoline. This was discussed with a Democrat who complained of a gallon of gas costing the same as we watched Manny Ramirez take his 20 caught looking strike out of the season. He defended Manny as well.
Calcium sulfonate complex grease is recognized as an excellent technology for grease applications where heat, water, and high or shock loads exist. Its inherent properties are well known and include excellent corrosion resistance, low wear and high EP, high dropping point, and excellent corrosion resistance, low wear and high EP, high dropping point, and excellent mechanical stability, even in the presence of water. Calcium sulfonate complex grease has recently been approved for use as an incidental food contact grease (H1), and these inherent properties will provide improved lubrication of food machinery, particularly where heat and water are present.
1) Gasoline manufacturers put a lot of R&D into making the formulation just right, with detergents, etc., to keep the system clean and running smooth. They even advertise the superior mileage and engine cleaning powers of their products. These are monster corporations with billion-dollar R&D budgets and the resources of top scientists.
2) Same for motor oil manufacturers.
So, either there’s no reason to put this small-time-invented snake oil in your car or there’s a big conspiracy going on. And I don’t have a tin-foil hat. This makes me think of the 100mph carburetor.
If I had a car that ran on beer, I’d walk everywhere.
Calcium SULFONATE....
Hmmmmmmm
Could be that there’s SULPHUR, in SULPHONATE??????
Isn’t SULPHUR HARMFUL to the ENVIRONMENT? Kinda like producing ACID Rain?
What infernal, hypocritical A@@clowns the Left is. Demonstrated at every possible moment.
Sheesh.
“Burnt acetone in the exhaust fools the oxygen sensor...”
Thats interesting.....does burnt acetone produce O2?
An O2 sensor in serviceable condition produces low voltage at high exhaust O2 content; and high voltage at low exhaust content - sensor range is zero to 1 volt, 0.45 volt is considered “stoich”.
O2 sensors are just that.....02 sensors - not HC, CO, NOX, or anything else that I know of....they use exhaust O2 content vs ambient O2, the difference is used as a “catalyst” (if you will) to generate voltage.
“Burnt acetone in the exhaust fools the oxygen sensor into thinking the motor is running too rich so the PCM leans the intake mixture.”
It was apparently unable to do so on Mythbusters.
If it ran on pee, would you drive everywhere?
No...only to the store to get beer.
Ed doesn’t need an additive. Pleanty of gas there already.
And that brings it right back to running on beer, but with a drunk driver at the wheel.
Read about it quite awhile ago and was very skeptical. My car (a '97 CrownVic), would average 21+- MPG freeway. Now I'm averaging 24-26 MPG on the same commute.
And that, BTW is behind a big 'ol 4.6L V-8!
With the CruiseControl set at 70 MPH.
I believe my own numbers; won't argue.
I've read two explanations. One by a chemist, one by an (unknown discipline) engineer.
The chemist said that the molecular structure of Acetone combines and compliments theat of the gasoline where oxygen release is concerned at combustion.
The engineer said that the Acetone fools the mixture sensors which results in the CPU further leaning the mixture at the injectors.
Explanation #2 strikes me as the most feasabile. I'm neither an automotive engineer, nor a chemist (except when it comes to mixing that perfect Martini!).
CAVEATE: YMMV. It may not hold true for every automobile brand as engine CPU's can vary as well as the programs employed. My car is a Ford and, again, I believe my own experience and the numbers which I've kept pretty relgiously.
Additionally, the mixture of Acetone is so minimal that damage to rubber/seal/plastic tubing doesn't look to be a problem. This ISN'T, tho', a case of "if some is good more is better."!! And be careful pouring it into your tank - it can damge paint and finish.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/23/212055/599
That is good enough for me. It doesn't work.
RE:Acetone and fuel mileage. The way it was explained to me is the presence of the gases from the burnt Acetone in the exhaust effected the catalytic reaction of the oxygen sensor *in some cars*. It works or doesn’t work based on what catalyst is used to make the O2 sensor, which is why you have some praising it and some cursing it. As to it harming your fuel system, I sincerely doubt in the amount discussed it would hurt a thing. Many of the fuel additives for sale at the parts store are nothing more that acetone.
I can tell you, at $3.59 per gallon, I would stand on my head and pee in the tank if it would help prolong my next visit to the gas station.
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