Posted on 05/25/2007 10:13:26 AM PDT by Irontank
So-called "neo" conservatism has its roots in a Marxist view of the world. So it is not surprising that the neocons are trying to silence their most prominent conservative critic.
That would be Texas Rep. Ron Paul. He outraged the neocons during the Republican presidential debate last week by advocating that the GOP return to the traditional conservative stance of noninterventionism. Paul invoked the ghost of Robert Taft, the GOP Senate leader who fought entry into NATO. And he also pointed out that messing around in the Mideast creates risks here at home.
That prompted Rudy Giuliani to interrupt Paul and demand that he retract his remarks. Paul not only refused to bow to Il Duce, but after the debate, Paul told the TV audience that the self-appointed saint of 9/11 might consider reading the report of the 9/11 commission, which makes the same point in some detail.
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I put in a call to Andy Napolitano, the Fox News legal analyst and my brother's old buddy at Notre Dame Law School. In addition to appearing on TV, Andy co-hosts a talk show called "Brian and the Judge" on Fox radio.
"Our calls have been going 10 to one in favor of Ron Paul," said Napolitano, a former Superior Court judge in New Jersey who supports Paul's libertarian views.
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Clearly, the doctor had hit a nerve. The neocons are fond of arguing that we can't simply retreat into "fortress America," as they call it. But the impulse to do so is deeply ingrained in the American psyche. If you doubt that, look at the polls on immigration. The neocon in chief is an open-borders guy, but that view has no support in the base of the GOP.
(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...
A "partriotic" statist. We used to call them fascists. They are crawling all over Free Republic.
Mention "RON PAUL" and they will come snorting out of the woodwork with double barrels...., one of stupidity and one of self righteous "partiotism," and willing to sell out liberty on a dime for it.
You don’t REALLY think that the so-called “neocon” movement is interested in personal liberty do you? They are solely interested in the trappings of power and control, same as the left. Only difference I can see is that they have some slightly different initial goals. That’s all. Neocons are statists just the same as liberal demoncrats are statists.
If you want to spread our way of life, please DON’T try to do it at the point of a bayonet. That makes you no different than the Islamonazis.
Unless you make yourself a Viceroy, or a dictator, you CAN'T impose a form of government on a mass of people to whom such government is foreign. Its like giving castor oil to a baby.
Remember, that both Germany and Japan had advanced economies and PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WITH REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT, unlike the Iraqis or Afghans.
To the Libertarians I ask, what good are property rights if there is no guarantee that such property will be protected? With their less government mindset, that guarantee is jeopardized by an irresponsible naivete of human nature.
The neocons are ALL about personal liberty. The basic belief is that free people are not a threat but nations who aren’t free are a threat.
It’s true that they place an emphasis on patriotism so if that is what you think is an affront on personal freedom I see your point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative
Huh???!!!
Mark
Quite often, it's a codeword for politically conservative Jews...
Cause, don't-cha-know, all the "good" Jews are liberal or just plain hard left.
Mark
They have done a lot to help conservatives in general promote their message, including Ron Paul. However, it is by far from perfect. They could have done a lot more to promote alternatives to liberal Republicans in various general elections.
I generally see neocons as liberal Republicans. Semitism or anti-semitism has nothing to do with it. A better term for “neo-conservative” would be “pseudo-conservative.”
Looks like your addressing the all too inallusive RINO.
"Neocon" usually involves a fallacious attack on those who understand that the United States must defend ourselves and Israel against Islamofascists.
Have you ever heard of the Abraham Lincoln brigades? If you want to defend foreign countries...I suggest you form a private militia like the ALB and go defend whatever foreign countries you want to...meanwhile, those of us who love the United States will work to ensure that the US government is devoting all of its resources to defending Americans.
And in any event, I think a lot of Israelis have had enough of the neocons' "help" with Israel's fight against Muslim terrorists. The neocons grand plans to depose Saddam, bring the Hashemites to power in Iraq and to remake make the middle east into safer, more pro-Western, pro-Israeli region has accomplished exactly the opposite...reminds me of Ronald Reagan's statement that the nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
Israeli Experts Say Middle East Was Safer With Saddam in Iraq
Furthermore, there are a lot more issues than the 25 bills they rate congressmen on.
Rep. Paul has voted against EVERY SINGLE spending bill and voted against EVERY SINGLE tax hike, yet the ACU doesn't care.
He also introduced a bill that would have overturned Roe v. Wade and sent the abortion and gay marriage issues back to the states, but the ACU doesn't care; they instead care about their vote on a Constitutional Amendment that had no chance of passing.
Here are Ron Paul's 6 "non conservative" votes.
8. Federal Aviation Administration Labor Negotiations HR 5449 (Roll Call 233) The House killed a bill that attempted to give union bosses more power to interfere in FAA labor negotiations. ACU opposed this bill. A majority of the House supported it, 271-148 on June 7, 2006, but under House rules, a two-thirds majority was required.
Dr. Paul voted pro union.
10. Iraq War Resolution H Res 861 (Roll Call 288) The House adopted a resolution declaring opposition to an arbitrary date for the withdrawal or redeployment of U.S. armed forces from Iraq, affirming the U.S. commitment to establishing democracy in Iraq, and honoring Americans taking an active part in the war on terror and the sacrifices of the U.S. armed forces who have died or been wounded. ACU supported the resolution, which was adopted 256-153 on June 16, 2006.Paul voted with the hardcore left on a bill void of any Constitutional relevence.
12. Line-Item Veto HR 4890 (Roll Call 317) The House passed a bill authorizing the president to single out specific appropriations, spending, and special tax breaks for re-passage by the Congress under expedited procedures. ACU supported this bill, which passed 247-172 on June 22, 2006.
Dr. Paul voted against depoliticizing spending legislation and giving the president the ability to reduce government spending.
17. Same-Sex Marriage Ban H J Res 88 (Roll Call 378) The House failed to pass a constitutional amendment defining marriage as consisting only of the union of a man and a woman. ACU supported this amendment, which received a majority vote of 236-187 on July 18, 2006. However a two-thirds majority is required to pass a constitutional amendment.
Pro same sex marriage.
23. Parental Notification S 403 (Roll Call 479) The House passed a bill making it a federal crime to take a minor across state lines to obtain an abortion in order to circumvent state parental notification and consent laws. ACU supported this bill, which passed 264-153 on September 26, 2006.
Pro teen abortion.
24. Military Tribunals S 3930 (Roll Call 508) The House passed a bill authorizing military tribunals to try unlawful enemy combatants in the war on terror, and re-affirming a ban on evidence obtained through torture. ACU supported this bill, which passed 250-170 on September 29, 2006.Protect the terrorists.
ACU has the ratings right.
Some of us have learned the lesson of World War II.
And BTW, we’re hardly finished with Iraq.
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There is absolutely nothing in the traditional Washington/Jefferson foreign policy which would have interfered in the slightest with out responding to the Japanese attack on December 6, 1941; nor to Germany's Declaration of War on December 8, 1941.
The issue here is our present folly in Washington (the city), where we are actually helping our enemy to recruit by over-dramatising his capability, and unnecesarily insulting those from whom he seeks to recruit in the future, by idiotic plots to change other people's culture. That is moronic. You need look no further than the Brits 400 year experiment in Ireland, to recognize how counter-productive it is.
Let me urge consideration for the juxtaposition of Washington's wisdom with Bush's 2nd Inaugural Address--the little debate we staged in early 2005, for all who are interested in weighing the conflicting appoaches: George Washington Debates George W. Bush.
Washington's approach was for the ages. The Neocon policy is simply a rehash of the madness followed by the leftist Democratic foreign policy of Dean Rusk (1961-1969), which led to terrible massacres in Ruanda and Nigeria, and a decline in Western influence in much of Africa.
William Flax
Not sure how you mean that. The Neocons have defined themselves, as in my article on the subject--and as others have also described in this thread. They are definitely on the Left--see, again, The 'Neocon' Phenomenon, but I do not think it fair to describe them as "anti-semitic." While the more prominent "Neocons" have been associated with the Bush policy in the Near East, calling them "anti-semitic" is a bit of a stretch. Would you call partisans of the IRA, "anti-Celtic?" Conversely, would you call Ian Paisleys' followers, "anti-Celtic?"
Anti-Semitism has nothing to do with either side to this argument, and it is somewhat demogogic to suggest that it has. The issue is about what the "Neo-cons" believe. Is is supportable, rationally? No. Is it Conservative? No. Is it new? No. It really wasn't new in 1917, although that was the year it came into vogue with some mean spirited folks.
William Flax
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