Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye
...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
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Since the “losing” side is 1/2 of the country, that makes it a substantial opinion.
It is also funny that the “losing” side has the most BELOVED General of BOTH sides and the entire country, General Robert E. Lee! :)
Erm... don't be to hard on "yankees". I am, myself, a "Yankee". (Iowa born and raised. I happen to live in Oklahoma; but I was born an Iowa Yankee, from a long line of German-immigrant Iowa Yankees).
The war was not "Yankees versus Rebs"; that implies a uniformity of allegiances which simply did not exist. Rather, it was a Federal Government invasion of an independent American nation. It was, as I have said, The War of Federal Aggression.
Sorry for the nit-pick... but I can't claim to be a Southron, because I ain't. By birth, breeding, and lineage, I'm a Yankee myself.
But it sure is nice down here. The winters in Iowa are practically cold enough to freeze steel.
It’s too easy to see you can’t think of a response when you resort to Nazi allusions. Godwin’s Law, or something like it.
Since I have NEVER, ONCE posted that thought slavery was a moral or just institution....
Since I have NEVER, ONCE posted that I thought slaves SHOULD BE enslaved.....
What exactly is your basis for thinking I consider slavery to be a 'good' thing?
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Some people accept and acknowledge the historical, documented fact that slavery was LEGAL when the colonies were formed, LEGAL when the Declaration was written, LEGAL when the Revolution was fought, and LEGAL when the Constitution was signed.
Others, unfortunately, can't get over the concept that the Constitution is a LEGAL document, not a moral one, and I've always thought the only folks who believe in the 'living document' theory of the Constitution were liberals.
it’s probably nothing more than that you have Northern Manners, much like the famous John Brown.
The Declaration of Independence precedes the Constitution. The Federal Government is a mere Agent of the Sovereign States, and enjoys only such powers as they grant it.
Answer that, and we can move on to the secondary issues you raise. But answer that first. ~~ I did, in message 862. Didn't you read it?
Humor me with a single-word, "YES" or "NO" answer, rather than bobbing and weaving and re-tracing your steps.
A one word answer only, please. (None of this conditionalized "If he goes about it Legally" business, because that implies that Individuals do NOT enjoy Natural Rights; rather, Rights exist only insofar as they are "legally" defined by Governments).
YES, or NO?
One word only: YES, or NO. Then we'll proceed.
I think comparing the secessionists' position with Hitler is every bit as valid as comparing Lincoln's position to George III.
I happen to live in Oklahoma (now), but I am Iowa Yankee born and raised.
Careful. Someone will want to jail you for being a Copperhead.
Nah, they’ll just accuse me of being a Nazi.
I don’t have all the information handy right now, but some time ago I posted info about General Lee having his U.S. citizenship restored. He filed papers petitioning for this, but they were accidentally lost, and after he passed away the matter was forgotten. But the papers were eventually discovered in an archive during the administration of President Ford. News of this set off a national wave of sympathy for General Lee. The Senate voted by unanimous voice vote to restore the general’s citizenship. In the House, there were only ten votes against (out of 435), all from the goofiest leftists, such as John Conyers, Bella Abzug, and Ron Dellums.
Political Correctness hadn’t yet infected us as badly as it has today.
If General Lee’s citizenship papers hadn’t been discovered circa 1975, but were discovered today, can you imagine what would happen? Virtually every Democrat and half the GOP would be on TV screaming that a “racist” who fought under a “Nazi-style” flag shouldn’t have his citizenship restored. The bill to restore his citizenship would go down in flames if it even reached the floor.
Such is the power of Political Correctness in today’s environment.
Lincoln and George III both raised armies against American secession movements.
Your applying Hitler to the discussion is nothing more than what it appears to be.
The confederacy freed the slaves before the Union did.
The Stars and Bars simply stood for a system of government which respected the rights of states and the people within them to decide their own local laws.
The War of Northern Aggression has been rewritten to promote Big City gangster mentality of love for one’s fellow man before love for God over small southern town hard work ethic treating a love for God first, followed by love for one’s fellow man.
Now the entire nation is mired down in Yankee mentality, never thinking states rights were significant.
Your applying Hitler to the discussion is nothing more than what it appears to be.
And Hitler and the secessionists were both members of a power-mad nonproductive political class who wished to further their control of their fellow man.
You see your parallels and I see mine.
A very good question, but I have my doubts whether you'll get an answer.
Do any defenders of the Dixie defenders of liberty wish to address this?
Does that mean you have all the courtesy of William Quantrill?
So? One of the most beloved teams in baseball are the Chicago Cubs. Everyone loves a lovable loser.
I agree. Sad isn’t it?
Since the U.S. and it's allies eventually invaded Japan and Germany as part of their war effort, then would you term the Second World War as The War of Allied Aggression?
The Declaration of Independence is not the underlying platform for our laws. The Constitution of the United States is.
Humor me with a single-word, "YES" or "NO" answer, rather than bobbing and weaving and re-tracing your steps.
Everything issue cannot be boiled down to a simple yes or no. Can an individual renounce his citizenship? Yes, if done legally. I can't make it any simpler or plainer than that.
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