Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye
...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
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I read an account by a kid who had helped save a couple of RAF flyers who bailed out over his town, and he described how American infantrymen had come through the town the next year and taken his father’s WWI Iron Cross from the house. It made me very sad that they had done that.
Obviously, otherwise they would need a passport and visa come retirement age. And I guarantee we’d be real good on border control. ;)
A quote attributed to Longstreet comes to mind;
‘We should have freed all the slaves, THEN fired on Ft Sumnter.’
‘Actually that quote should be attribted to the screenwriter for “Gettysburg” because that’s were it came from. I’ve never seen any evidence that Longstreet himself never said anything like that in any of the biographies I’ve read.’
He got it from Shara’s “Killer Angels” upon which the movie was based. Like you, I’ve never seen it attributed to Longstreet in the various bio’s...but then again, til recently all the bio’s available were the result of those clinging to Ewell and Early’s ‘Lost Cause’ scenario they promoted at the expense of Longstreet, and deified Lee and Jackson.
I’ve wondered if Colonel Fremantle’s book on the Civil War mentioned anything about it, since its alleged the quote was made to him.
Bottom line is the notion has quite a bit of merit in my opinion. Had the South done this first, no ‘emancipation proclamation’ would have occured, and Lincoln wouldn’t have had that era’s version of ‘evangelical’s’ to call on against the congress grown weary of the war.
Just my opinion.
You lose this one, sorry but Fred T 08 is right on the money.
And I suppose you’d drive it 100 miles an hour through Savannah, too?
‘What a stupid statement, apparantly it wasn’t “OK” for us to secede from GB, else we wouldn’t have had to fight the revolutionary war.’
Twice, to be accurate. The war of 1812 was just a resumption of hostilities.
The civil war was primarily about states rights.
Slaves were held in the North as well as the South at the time of the civil war.
Slavery was wrong through and through. It was wrong in America and it was wrong in Africa.
Not much is mentioned about how the Zulu tribes conquered rival tribes, kept the woman and children and sold off the men to the traders. I guess guilt about slavery is primarily a white mans thing.
My great grandfather did have slaves on his plantation in Elora Tenn., however he was not an ogre that whipped his help.
In fact, my grandmother used to tell me stories of the black nanny that helped raise them and the fond memories of being rocked to sleep and comforted when sick by their nanny.
When the slaves received their emancipation, they did not want to leave their home and work on the plantation.
Good and bad existed in the south to be sure, but it existed in the north as well at the very same time.
Now, considering states rights. Judging by how the federal government has trampled all over states rights for decades, i’mma thinkin the south may have had a legit quarrel.
It’s not OK to fly an old dead (American) “Confederate” battle flag....
...but it’s OK to have (living) Mexican and Puerto Rican and Cuban and all those other South American flags.
The former is “tyranny” and “treason”, the latter are “diversity” (= gooooood).
You sir, are invited to move here. ;)
Did this author similarly rail against racial tensions when 5 young whites were, over an extended period, tortured, repeatedly raped in every conceiveable way, shuttled to the ATM for quick cash withdrawals, then shot, and run over by a truck by two blacks in Wichita? Any “racial tyrrany” to be found in that story? Nah, of course not.
A rebellion is defined as "open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government." That's an accurate description of the southern actions.
Just as Alaska should be able to leave the Union so they can drill for their oil, the south wanted to be able to ship their raw goods overseas without over taxation forced on them by people outside their states.
The south could, and did ship their goods overseas without their being taxed. Taxes were placed in imports, and most of those seem to have been consumed by the non-Southern states. Which is to be expected since most of the population lived in the non-Southern states.
Up the road from me in Galena, they just put a new bronze statue of her on the grounds of the Grant home. Haven't seen it yet, but I understand it's quite well done.
Grant was a bad politician, but a good man. Julia had good taste.
What color was it?
‘Virginia didn’t secede until Lincoln ordered them to attack the states further south.
Elements of both sides wanted a war.’
Yep. And everybody involved thought one grand battle would decide the issue. That mistaken notion played a huge role in the tactics leading up to Gettysburg, and was the one failure of thought you can cite Robert E Lee for in particular.
He was convinced he could win the war via one battle. It influenced both northern ‘invasions’ he managed, and it was the driving force behind the ill advised, and misnamed ‘Pickett’s Charge’ the third day of Gettysburg.
The fact is, even if the ‘charge’ had been successful, the Army of the Potomac would have gotten away, just as they did after Chancellorsville, or on the Penninsula Campaign early in the war, or at Fredricksburg just months before that summer campaign.
Kind of like the Southern states prior to the rebellion.
‘Actually it was ‘won’ the moment Vickburg fell
Kansas didn’t exist then, and neither did Vicksburg. I was referring to the Revolution.’
Got ya.
You damn betcha! First they move down here, then they start talking loudly about how things are done “back east” and how much better it is. They they make fun of everything we do, call us red necks every chance they get, while they wouldn’t say n***** if they had a mouthful, and have no respect at all for the office of state governor. And then they have the grace to wonder why they ain’t seeing so much of that southern hospitality and friendliness they heard so much about before coming here. AND they are generally democrats.
“You can lead a yankee to the truth, but that doesn’t overcome years of public schooling and indoctrination of the terminally brain dead.”
How true! So many who are historically challenged and so little time to educate them.
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