Posted on 05/22/2007 7:05:06 AM PDT by jpsb
As one totally opposed to anything other than closing the border to illegal flows (people drugs, weapons, etc) and rewriting the insane LBJ immigration policies codified in 1965. It is incumbent on me to think about the almost certain result that doing so would incur.
Without the social safety value of migrating north, poor Mexicans would surely cause much trouble for the Mexican government. Perhaps even instituting a USA hostel Marxist Mexican government. Energy exports to the USA cut, trade cut, maybe even little border wars.
This is most likely the price to be payed for cutting off the Mexican safety value, I am willing to pay it, but all opposing comprehensive immigration reform should be aware that there will be a price and it could be a high one.
Well, for starters we don’t need to be Mexico’s “social safety valve”. I think Mexicans should work on improving their own country, that should be their patriotic ambition. I’m not particularly worried about a hostel(sic) Mexican government either.
Don't shoot me, I am just reading the tea leaves.
I think public trials and jailing a few big time illegal employers would do more than anything else to stop people from hiring illegals.
Mexico is not a poor country. Their per capita income is higher than the global average ($10,000). Their GDP is over a trillion dollars. A quarter of their population lives outside of their borders and sends money back home. Their southern border is tightly patrolled to prevent illegals from crossing over to get higher paying Mexican jobs (from Nicaragua and Honduras, primarily).
They are simply in a corrupt system, where a handful of families control the vast majority of the wealth. One nice little revolution, and they can become a viable nation.
Why should the sovereignty of the US be compromised by fears of the mismanagement and corruption of one third world country, even if that country shares a border with the US?
Are we not strong enough to resist and eradicate such eminent threats?
Since a hostel is a place for sojourners to lodge temporarily, doesn't Mexico already have a "hostel government"? After all, for many Mexican workers, their country seems to be a temporary place to lodge on their journey to the US.
Most day workers are here for the bucks not to assimalate into our society. Some are here to retake what they (wrongly) think is thier land.
“Mexicans would surely cause much trouble for the Mexican government”..........isn’t that what people are supposed to do when they realize they have a corrupt government, rather than cut and run and give up their country? If they do this to their own country, what are they going to do here when things get tough?
Step away from the keyboard......sloooowwwwllllyyy. Go drink some coffee and come back when you’re awake. We’ll talk then.
No shots warranted; you'd make better use of them by drinking the tea.
That and the price of lettuce will go up.
Mexico has never been a friend of our United States.
Based on old pesos!
The looters of Mexico want to have the freedom to loot America.
After spending several years starting oil exploration crews for Pemex, I think I have The reason Mexico has become so bad.
I like the Mexican people in the fly over parts of Mexico. The mid level and workers of Pemex are good. It is the government and the high up in Pemex that are the vultures and looters. The peso was about 8 cents (12.5 to a dollar). When Pemex found the sito grande, a very large oil pool that covers parts of the states of Chiapas and Tabasco also a long ways into the Gulf of Mexico.
Pemex borrowed billions to produce this great oil find. The looters (government) stole most of the money and what they did buy was junk oil rigs and drill pipe, etc. 1,000 pesos which was worth about $80 now will not buy a coke (old pesos). This was due to the looters stealing billions from the Mexican people.
Instead of overthrowing the looters the Mexican people had an out, they had no weapons and they could cross into America and have a much safer life. This hurts both Mexico and America as Mexico lost some of it’s hardest workers. The gangbangers and welfare frauds also came over from Mexico as they could rape and pillage at will.
The government of Mexico is propped up by the billions sent back by the illegals and by our government having borders that are too open.
The only chance I see to help America and Mexico is to seal the border, deport the people who are not here legally. We also need to arm the Mexican people so they can have a chance against the looters with their armies.
First of all, this is a good debate going on here.
Second, the only do-able means of getting closer to a solution (by that I mean one that stands a chance of actually happening) is to “dry-up the well” that illegals are drinking from: companies that are employing them.
Crippling fines for companies that hire illegals (ie. enforcing what’s ALREADY on the books) will, through attrition, remove the reason illegals are coming here in the first place.
It’s a start....and we gotta start SOMEWHERE.
LOL, Oh No Mr. Bill!
Actually I am serious, this "Save Mexico" card will be played in the immigration debate. It was played late in the NAFTA debate and helped turn the tide, we best get ready for it.
“Without the social safety value of migrating north, poor Mexicans would surely cause much trouble for the Mexican government. Perhaps even instituting a USA hostel Marxist Mexican government. Energy exports to the USA cut, trade cut, maybe even little border wars.”
BRAVO SIERRA! They SHOULD cause trouble for the corrupt Mexican Government. They should over throw the Mexican government and put something more representative of the common citizen in place. As far as hostile marxists, we’ve delt with and defeated them before. As far as little border wars, its already happening. Close the “social safety valve” and put the heat and stress on them for a change. Let the foreign parasites feed off someone else.
"Giving illegal aliens a Z-Visa is like giving the car thief ownership to the vehicle he stole."
We are being pulled into the slimy hands of a narco state. Reading an article posted over at globalguerillas.com about a 5 hour firefight in some border town where the narco cartel had ousted a rival’s corrupt police force and the army had to come in and oust the new boss ought to give any conservative reservations about Kennedy’s latest disaster.
Sounds good to me, think the Chicoms would arm the Mexican government? The Chicoms would love having a military presense in Mexico. Dido Russia.
I wouldn't shoot you, we need all loyal Americans to fight this abomination. :O)
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