Posted on 05/20/2007 7:43:45 PM PDT by nuconvert
Dr. Jasser wants to have his cake and eat it too.
Also, islam unlike judaism and christianity have no hierarchical structures where there is one individual who could proclaim ex cathedra changes in doctrine. The reformation and Renaissance were able to work because the changes in doctrine were forced from below but proclaimed from the top. This allowed the eventual divorce of secular society from the authority of the church and a rather different apporach to religion. Just as you cannot divorce communists from communist doctrine or nazis from nazi doctrine, you cannot divorce Ilsamists from Islam. We still live with communism and communists to this day because the ideology was not defeated and completely destroyed, leaving open the excuse that the problem was with the leaders rather than the doctrine. Naziism on the other hand, was for all practical purposes destroyed when Germany was left a pile of rubble to rub in the idea that they followed a failed and utterly destructive ideology. I realize thayt Dr. Jasser has hopes for reformation and change from "moderates" like him. Unfortunately the truly devout cannot but consider him an apostate. And that even "moderate" Muslims try to avoid being accused of being.
The only good moslem is one who ain’t anymore.
Mohammed was the ultimate Islamist. Muslims (ALL of them)
follow Mohammed, whether they are overtly violent or not.
Therefore, Islam itself is the problem. it should be eradicated from the earth.
see my post above
If the Koran actually says that all will submit to Islam, and either convert, or live as second class citizens, then Islam IS the problem. Maybe mainstream, more modern Muslims will allow that to slide by, but the zealots will take that teaching to it’s extreme and KILL any who do not live up to their idea of purity. They kill their fellow Muslims who don’t agree with their extreme views, so they sure aren’t going to allow infidels to live, if they think that by killing them, they’ll achieve paradise.
“While the details of religion can inspire and direct this compass, life’s core direction toward good is formed and maintained internally between an individual’s soul and God early on. Suicide bombers, jihadists, and other militant Islamists are evil at their core and just turn to the language of Islam found in the Qur’an or the Hadith to justify their barbarism, coercion, and doctrine of the ends justifying the means and of political Islam”
Just as there are people who call themselves christians who beat the heck out of their kids and use “spare the rod, spoil the child” as their justification.
“That, My Friend, is tag-line material. Hope you don’t mind that I took it.”
It was not mine to begin with, share and share alike I always say, Freegards,
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I won't believe anything from psuedo-American Muslims until they pay their dues like the Americans of the 100th Infantry Battalion and the 442nd Regimental Combat Team did in WWII just like all of us did when we or our forebears came to this land. Until then, they're just blowing more smoke to cover their lies.
This article is classic al-tarqayya/kitman. Mr. Muslim makes statements like the following:
“But academically, when dealing with the faith of one-quarter of the world, and with its history, a central morality of individual Islam (the personal character of most Muslims) has generally demonstrated synergy with Judaism and Christianity. It is just that in the past few centuries, political religious movements, which exploit the personal faith for political oppression and often fascism, have controlled the leadership.”
I must call B*llSh*t! Perhaps, Bull Shiite would be more apropos.
Just what in Islam has “generally exhibited synergy with Judaism and Christianity”? Inquiring minds want to know.
Neck cutting won’t cut it, so to speak.
Now, for that Muslims:
“It is just that in the past few centuries, political religious movements, which exploit the personal faith for political oppression and often fascism, have controlled the leadership”.
Note that the above is where MuslimMan admits that for centuries the leadership of Islam has used their co-religionists for “ - political oppression and often fascism”.
He thus admits that Islam IS antithetical to, and irreconcilable with, America.
Given the Islamic world’s history of butcheries, and mindless and savage killing of the weak/defenseless, MuslimMan must think American are as simple minded a collection of whackos as his own people are.
More than anything else, to become accepted, Muslims must be the first, loudest, and strongest in condemning other Muslims whose behavior is unacceptable to non-Muslims.
This is a rule that applies to any group that wants to be accepted in a greater, or diverse society. Because they are judged not by their wisest, most honorable, and respectable members; but by their basest, most criminal, and violent members.
The most respected people in society are those who are first in turning over to the law, and condemning offenders not just among their peers, but even from their own family. They weep when their children violate the law and the customs of others, but they encourage punishment, and at least do not stand in its way.
And likewise they raise their children to know this. Though they love them deeply, they let them know that if they transgress, their own parents will be the first to tell the authorities, even if those authorities are not of their own religion, or ethnic group.
They let them know that the religion and people with whom they identify will give them nothing beyond what they earn. That membership may have its benefits, but it also has its responsibilities.
If Muslims were to fully commit to this, their path in our society would be eased, they would have full participation in our public life, and they would be looked at with respect and esteem.
But as they have failed to do this as a people, and seek to excuse, rationalize, and conceal their villains, while cursing those oppressed as either deserving of villainy or sinful, they should expect the disdain and distrust of society as a whole.
And they deserve nothing better. And they may get far worse in the future. For that is the path of destruction.
Great profile:)
“This article is classic al-tarqayya/kitman”
This “Mr Muslim” has a name and it’s Dr. Jasser, former navy Lieutenent Commander to you.
Try doing some research before you slander someone.
If Muslims bought into the Salafist/Wahhabist schoolls of thought. And given the fact that there are 1.3-1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world wouldn’t you expect to find significantly more incidences of Islamic terror?
The radical loser (Long Read)
Der Spiegel ^ | 1/12/05 | Hans Magnus Enzensberger
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1694568/posts
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There is also no mistaking other similarities, such as the fixation with written authorities. The place of Marx and Lenin is taken by the Koran, references are made not to Gramsci but to Sayyid Qutb. Instead of the international proletariat, it takes as its revolutionary subject the Umma, and as its avant-garde and self-appointed representative of the masses it takes not The Party but the widely branching conspiratorial network of Islamist fighters. Although the movement can draw on older rhetorical forms which to outsiders may sound high-flown or big-mouthed, it owes many of its idées fixes to its Communist enemy: history obeys rigid laws, victory is inevitable, deviationists and traitors are to be exposed and then, in fine Leninist tradition, bombarded with ritual insults.
The movement’s list of favourite foes is also short on surprises: America, the decadent West, international capital, Zionism. The list is completed by the unbelievers, that is to say the remaining 5.2 billion people on the planet. Not forgetting apostate Muslims who may be found among the Shiites, Ibadhis, Alawites, Zaidites, Ahmadiyyas, Wahhabis, Druze, Sufis, Kharijites, Ishmaelites or other religious communities.
(snip)
Contrary to what the West appears to believe, the destructive energy of Islamist actions is directed mainly against Muslims. This is not a tactical error, not a case of “collateral damage”. In Algeria alone, Islamist terror has cost the lives of at least 50,000 fellow Algerians. Other sources speak of as many as 150,000 murders, although the military and the secret services were also involved. In Iraq and Afghanistan, too, the number of Muslim victims far outstrips the death toll among foreigners. Furthermore, terrorism has been highly detrimental not only to the image of Islam but also to the living conditions of Muslims around the world.
The Islamists are as unconcerned about this as the Nazis were about the downfall of Germany. As the avant-garde of death, they have no regard for the lives of their fellow believers. In the eyes of the Islamists, the fact that most Muslims have no desire to blow themselves and others sky high only goes to show that they deserve no better than to be liquidated themselves. After all, the aim of the radical loser is to make as many other people into losers as possible. As the Islamists see it, the fact that they are in the minority can only be because they are the chosen few.
Experts around the world are not the only ones wondering how the Islamist movement has been able to recruit so many activists with its promises, far outdoing its secular rivals. No clear answer is in sight. All that is clear is that there must be explanations in the history of the Arab civilization that brought forth the world religion of Islam. This civilization reached its apogee at the time of the Caliphate. At this time, it was far superior to Europe in military, economic and cultural terms. The Arab world views this period with misty-eyed nostalgia; even today, 800 years later, it plays a central role in the consciousness of the region. In the intervening period, the power, the prestige, the cultural and economic weight of the Arab world has been in continual decline. Such an unparalleled demise is a puzzle and a sore point, generating an acute sense of loss. The Indian-born Muslim poet Hussain Hali (1837-1914) expressed this in his epic poem The Ebb and Flow of Islam:
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We are at the point that we prefer the import of Islam rather than develop our own oil industry.
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Only a relatively small number of “we” want anything to do with oil imports from the land of Islam. Those who profit from it in one way or another.
Islamism is the problem so long as islam filters through it.
You can take the "critique" route and we'll take the "defend ourselves" route.
Thank you. I’ve been trying to make this same point to a lot of people for several years. There arae many good Muslims. Frank Luntz and others did a documentary about them, only to hve PBS spike it. Not anti-American enough, I guess.
But ther eis apparently massive fear of teh Islamofascists. And they’re the problem. Destroy them, but don’t make it a holy war against all Muslims.
Muslims are human beings. Islam is an ideology.
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