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Characteristics of Civilized People
The Autonomist ^ | 05/18/07 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 05/18/2007 5:41:57 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Characteristics of Civilized People

by Reginald Firehammer

While the possiblity of civilization can be curtailed by a political system, it is not ultimately a society's politics, or its economy, or the artifacts of its culture that determines the degree of its civilization. Whether a society is civilized or not is determined by the kind of people that comprise it. American society of the fifties was dominated by young and middle-aged people who were the most civilized of the entire 20th century. The clearest picture of the fifties can be formed by examining the characteristics of the people who dominated it. To do that, I'm going to use some words that are seldom used these days, words like courtesy, decency, respect, reverance, and dignity.

Courteousy

The word polite has the same root as polished and one definition of polite is civilized. "Please," "Thank you," and "excuse me," salt and peppered everyone's conversation in the 50s. Children were taught, "manners," and were required to be courteous, which included never addressing an adult by their first name, saying "yes, Sir," and "no, Ma'am," and making requests in the form, "may I please ...?"

Courtesy is not conforming to social convention and not a limit to free speech. It is the conscious recognition of the dignity and privacy of others, an affirmation of their personhood and their value as an individual human beings. Those who have not lived in a courteous age seem to have the impression it is as stiff and formal and in some way restricting, but in fact, it is the opposite. Common courteousy made social relationships much easier because people knew the appropriate way to interact and deal with one another and the words appropriate to polite conversation came to the lips of the well-mannered with all the ease and naturalness with which the vilest profanities fill the mouths of today's ill-mannered louts.

It's not that one never heard profanities in the fifties, although it was rare, and many, if not most adults, never used profanity, simply because decent people did not use it.

Decency

That nowadays rare word, "decency," is often associated with sexual behavior or dress, but its meaning, as applied to the people of the fifties, is much broader than that. It's meaning has to do with another word rarely used these days, "propriety," which, like courtesy, is mistaken for some kind of social conformity, but in fact means that which is appropriate to human beings, that is, to civilized human beings. Civilized human beings do not eat with their hands or perform certain bodily functions in public, for example.

It was people's sense of decency that made profanity in the 50s so rare, it's use was almost always shocking, and almost always offensive to others. Even those who used it were careful to avoid it around those they thought would be offended (because even the crudest maintained a sense of respect for the dignity of others), and a man never use it in the presence of a woman.

The decency of the fifties came from a sense, if not explicitly than implicitly, of what was proper to beings who have grasped the importance and necessity of principles and values—principles by which one understands the purpose and meaning of life; values by which one descerns the difference between the vices that are a waste of that life and the virtues by which it is lived successfully and happily. This was the source of the vitality that dominated the fifties, the belief that life is worth living because there are things worth living for, things with real meaning and importance, things one can love and give themselves to totally, things one can hold sacred and revere. The view of life in the 50s was one of infinite possibilities in a world where anything could be achieved by anyone willing to make the effort, and the certainty that a life of such potential was worth taking seriously.

Reverence

This spirit had not been seen in America since the end of the 1900s. The post First World War 20s was an age of frivolity, nothing was taken seriously, and as though to prove that attitude correct, the 20s were followed by the depression of the 30s, and the second world war. Ayn Rand describes that uncivilized spirit of the 20s:

"Most people lack [the capacity for] reverence and "taking things seriously. "They do not hold anything to be very serious or profound. ... Anything strong and intense, passionate and absolute, anything that can't be taken with a snickering little "sense of humor"—is too big, too hard, too uncomfortable for them. They are too small and weak to feel with all their soul—and they disapprove of such feelings. They are too small and low for a loyal, profound reverence—and they disapprove of all such reverence. They are too small and profane themselves to know what sacredness is—and they disapprove of anything being too sacred." [Journals - Part 1: Early Projects, "The Hollywood Years," circa February 1928]

If this description sounds like today's society and culture it is because the spirit of the fifties is now lost forever. We are again in an age where nothing is revered and the utmost contempt is poured on anyone who holds anything sacred. It is why it is almost impossible for anyone today to understand the spirit of the 50s.

People not only held things sacred themselves, but had respect for the things others held sacred—not because they necessarily agreed with the sacredness of those things, but because they respected the fact others held something sacred. When one respects what others hold sacred, it is not respect for the object of their reverance, it is respect for the dignity of the individual who has values and honestly pursues them. Tolerance is not agreeing that all beliefs are equally valid. One may violently disagree with another's beliefs and stronly argue against them but to discourage anyone from having beliefs, holding them profoundly, or from giving themselves wholly to them, is not only intolerant, it is the road to nihilism. Respect for other's beliefs is respect for other's as individuals and as human beings.

Privacy

Privacy is the hallmark of a civilized society. One gauge of the level of civilization in any society is the degree of individual privacy chosen and enjoyed by it's citizens.

"Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men," Ayn Rand wrote. [For The New Intellectual—from The Fountainhead, "The Soul Of An Individualist"]

It is difficult to imagine, if one has not experienced it, what that sense of privacy that dominated the 50s was like. People were jealous of their privacy which they regarded a recognition of one's own being as an independent individual. To have one's own privacy violated or to violate another's was tantamount to physical assault. One's thoughts, one's body, one's business were their own, to be shared or not by their own choice. People minded their own business, and expected others to mind theirs—it was part of their decency. A person's private affairs were just that; intimacy had a real meaning and had to be earned; one only shared the most private aspects of their life with those whom they loved and who had earned it.

The regard people had for other's privacy came from a profound respect for other's integrity and individuality, the unquestioned sense that others owned their lives, as one owned their own.

Independence

I laugh when I read those who describe the 50s as an age of conformity. If there was one characteristic that distinguished people of the fifties from people of today, it was their independence. Self-sufficiency, self-reliance, and competence were virtues individuals pursued in their own lives and admired in others. It came from their sense of individualism that not only recognized a person's life is their own to be lived as they chose, but that the individual was responsible for that life, both to support and to bear the consequences of how it was lived.

Not being able to "stand on one's own two feet" and to support one's self and one's family was considered a disgrace. Though people in the 50s were indredibly generous and would leap to help someone whom circumstances had knocked down through no fault of their own, most would do anything rather than take someone else's help, and would work to get themselves back on their own feet and to repay anyone who had helped them.

These attitudes were not "taught" and "forced" on them by society, they came form from people's own sense of integrity and self-worth. They did not want what they had not earned, and while they did not much concern themselves with what others had, there was true admiration for those who had achieved or accomplished more and unabashedly enjoyed it. They did not seek the approval or praise of others, but knew whatever recognition others gave them, it was for their virtues and that they had earned it.

Respect

Besides the almost universal sense of goodwill that prevailed in relationships between people of the 50s, there was one characteristic that today is, with rare exception, entirely missing: respect.

I've already mentioned the profound respect people held for other's privacy; this same respect, and much for the same reason, extended to other's property. This was in part because of the basic honesty and decency of people but, more importantly, since welfare was rare and most people worked and supported themselves by their own effort, one understood the true worth of things, and what it had cost others to acquire the things they owned.

That respectful display of deference and recognition of the value of others, as befitted civilized people was, like courtesy, common in all relationships between people. Men had a profound respect for women in the 50s, a repect for their decency and character, a respect women knew they deserved and decent women were careful to insure they were worthy of that respect. Children had respect for adults, especially their parents, because the relationship between them was clear—children were dependent and needed teaching, guidance and support; parents were adults, a status that, in those days, had to be earned, and was not conferred simply because someone had lived a certain number of years.

Most importantly, they had something unheard of today, something called self-repect, without which true respect for others is impossible. Self-repect was a recognition of one's own value, integrity, and virtue, and was the hardest respect of all to earn.

How We Lived

I've tried to give a picture of what the 50s were like in more-or-less abstract terms and generalities. Those who lived in the 50s would not have described their day as I just have because the values they held and the lives they lived were not analyzed, but taken for granted. The people living in the 50s did not think there was anything unique about those years, they only knew that life was very good and that it was the way to live. Some examples of how they lived might help complete the picture.

In 1950 I was 10 years old. At that time, I lived in a city that was once the largest leather manufacturing city in the world, and was still one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the country. I lived on a corner of in intersection of two residential streets. Practically every house on both those streets had a family of a different nationality, Irish, Jewish, Polish, Finish, German, Yankee, French, Greek, Portugese, Black, and Chinese immediately come to mind as I recall my neighbors and childhood friends. Many were first generation Americans—they all considered themselves Americans, because they were.

In that neighborhood, people did not lock their doors. The respect for other's property and privacy was so profound, except in the case of very close relatives or friends, one did not dream of entering someone else's house. Except on the rare occassion when old-man Boyle had a little too much to drink and got the wrong house coming home in the evening, no one entered our house univited; there were no burglaries, no breaking and enterings.

There was no need to lock doors, not even car doors. Most people not only did not lock their cars, they left their keys in them, or even left them running if they were making very short visits. There were no cars stolen.

Delightfully Dangerous

It was, admittedly, a dangerous world, in the 50s.

There were no warnings on medicine bottles, step ladders, gas cans, or sharp instruments, yet people poisoning themselves, falling off ladders, blowing themselves up, or bleeding to death from accidentally cutting themselves was increibly rare. Speaking of medicine bottles, opening them did not involve solving a chinese puzzle; you just took the cover off, a child could do it, but didn't uless he was told to. Life is simpler, and safer, when children behave—and they do behave, when it's, "behave or else"—in those days they knew what, "or else," meant.

Children did not have to wear eighty pounds of protection and padding to ride a bike, roller skate, or play sports (which were mostly rough—and fun). The occasional goose egg, bloody knee, raspberry, or having the wind knocked out, simply taught us, the world is a dangerous place, and some things hurt--it didn't kill us, it prepared us for real life.

Nobody had ever heard of a seat-belt, or motocycle helmet. Not even the motocycle cops wore helmets. That world was filled with "dangerous" things; mercury themometers, DDT, and iodine could be found in every home—as well as guns. There were guns in virtually every house in my neighborhood, not locked up and hidden, but proudly displayed in gun cabinets and racks. Frequently, horror of horrors, they were loaded. I cannot recall a single accidental shooting, or any other kind of shooting in the 12 years I lived in that neighborhood.

Boys didn't have guns, at least until 10 or 12, but just about every boy I knew had a jacknife in his pocket at all times, including, in school. On more than one occassion a teacher might ask if anyone had a jacknife, because she wanted to borrow it to cut something. Most of us managed to cut ourselves once or twice in leaning to use those knives—no harm done, a little iodine and an opportunity to show how brave we were to not cry fixed it up.

Was that world dangerous? Oh yes, it's a feature of freedom, and reality too, by the way. The world is a very dangerous place and discovering how to survive and enjoy that world is what growing up is all about. Odd, isn't it, while kids are kids, and there is always the odd bully, or one that does really dumb things, in those savagely dangerous days, no one in school was beat up, there were no school shootings, and no children were sexually assaulted by their teachers.

An Adult World, a Children's Paradise, a Woman's Too

The adults of those days were serious, not because they did not know how to enjoy life, but because they did, and knew the difference between real enjoyment and frivolity. Life was worth taking seriously because they understood its potential. As serious as that day was, for children, it was a virtual paradise.

Children could go anywhere, and most of us did, walking or riding bikes all over that cosmopolitan city: spending whole days in the woods, riding our bikes down the back allies between leather factories, even hitching rides on the freight trains that were always lumbering into or out of the city. All of those dangerous things and I do not recall a single really bad thing happening, except for the inevitable bangs, cuts, scabby knees and elbows, and the occasional broken bone, which were just considered part of growing up (and which we wore as badges of honor).

We were taught as children not to go with strangers who enticed us (something I never heard of occurring), but were also taught, if we felt uncomfortable about something to just find another adult and tell them; we were never afraid of adults, because none of them were a threat to us. We spent time in the town stores by ourselves or with other children, and spent frequent Saturday afternoons in the local movie theatre. We had no adult supervision, or protection, but needed neither, because we had been taught how to behave, and most of the time, most of us did. No one worried about what was playing, all the movies were rated "D," for decent. They were decent, because a movie that today could gain a PG rating would have thoroughly revolted and scandalized the decent people of those days, and nobody would have watched it.

And it was not only children who were safe from the kinds of dangers that prevail today, all adults were. My grandfather was a Barber. Saturday night was a big night at the barbershop in those days. It would be full all evening until closing late with men getting their shaves and haircuts for Sunday. Every Saturday night, my grandfather walked the mile and half to his home carrying the weeks receipts in a leather bag. Everyone knew he did that. The streets were dark and desserted at that time of night but he was never in any danger. Though few would be in those days, even women who found it necessary to be out on those same city streets at night were in no danger. I do not remember a single assault or rape in those twelve years. It was the same in many cities and towns all across the country.

If you are thinking that police protection must have been much better then, understand, there were no policemen on the streets at night either. There was no need for them to be. It was not the police, it was the kind of people that city was comprised of, civilized people.

Some Statistics

Were things truly better in the 50s, were people really so much more decent, honest, and wholesome? Decide for youself. The statistics don't prove anything, of course, but there must be reason for the differences.

I laugh whenever I read that the 50s were sexually repressed. While the boomer years generally refer to the 40s, the number of births per year throughout the 40s and 50s were between 600 and 700 thousand per year. After the two years with the largest number of births, 820 thousand in 1946 and 881 thousand in 1947, the next largest number of births was 748 thousand in 1959. It was hardly a sexually repressed age.

It was, however, a sexually responsible age. In 1950, only 4 percent of births were to out-of-wedlock mothers. In 2005, 37 percent of births were to out-of-wedlock mothers.

Though the population had less than doubled between 1960 and 2005, the rates for crime and violence increased three, four, and sometimes five times in that same time span. Violent crimes, for example increased from less than 400 thousand in 1960 to nearly 1400 thousand in 2005. Property thefts increased from 3 million to 10 million in the same period. The number of rapes went from 17 thousand to nealy 100 thousand, while aggravated assualts went from 154 thousand to 862 thousand between 1960 and 2005.

Between 1950 and 1959, the prison population in America averaged 523,000. In 2004 the prison population was 2,193,798.

Statics and graphs cannot begin to give a complete picture of the total cultural and social transformation that has taken place in this country, but I did find one amazing graph which provides a picture that perfectly traces the rapid cultural and social decline in civilization after the end of the 1900s through the end of the 30s, the rapid return to civilized values through the forties, the highest level of civilization in this century through the fifties, and the final decline in that civilization through the 60s to the lowest period in the history of this country from the end of the 60's to today.

In the next article, it is that period, the current age, and those who people it that will be examined. Those living in today's society who have never experience the hights of a civilized culture, and have no way to gauge the depths of decay and corruption that prevail today.

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To: Dinsdale
I grew up in the South and my early career was spent in Connecticut and later New York City. I was struck with the tremendous cultural differences. No question that people in the south are kinder, more considerate, and more polite. If a polite and courteous society was ever dominant in the Northeast (and I think it was) it is gone from the big cities for sure and mostly from the small towns, too.

One thing that Northeasterners no longer understand and are flabbergasted when they encounter it in the south -- a civil public society where people are expected to be kind and considerate of one another, and that includes most strangers in day to day contact. What southerners grow up understanding is that when most people in a society try to behave pleasantly and politely and kindly to one another in public, it rewards everyone with a more pleasant social space in which to operate. Northerners tend to find these kindnesses and politenesses given to strangers with suspicion. They think it has a personal connotation -- that is, that an individual is being nice to them because of some personal response to that individual. Thus, they think it is "phony." Imagine that? Good manners and decency are phony. People should be cold, brash and hard.

What people need to understand who don't quite get it is that when most people behave in a kindly, civilized manner to another another, their behavior is as much for the public good as it is intended as a personal response to a particular individual. Thus, it is not phony. It is one person's contribution to a better social environment for all. Why can't Yankees understand that?

21 posted on 05/18/2007 1:56:50 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: RightWhale

“Polite has the same root as politics and police.”

What the significance would be, I don’t know, but it is apparently not so anyway.

From here: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=police&searchmode=none

polite
1263, from L. politus “refined, elegant,” lit. “polished,” pp. of polire “to polish, to make smooth.” Used literally at first in Eng.; sense of “elegant, cultured” is first recorded 1501, that of “behaving courteously” is 1762.

politics (n.)
1529, “science of government,” from politic (adj.), modeled on Aristotle’s ta politika “affairs of state,” the name of his book on governing and governments, which was in Eng. 1450 as “Polettiques.”

police
c.1530, at first essentially the same word as policy (1); from M.Fr. police (1477), from L. politia “civil administration,” from Gk. polis “city” (see policy (1)). Still used in Eng. for “civil administration” until mid-19c.; application to “administration of public order” (1716) is from Fr., and originally referred to France or other foreign nations. The first force so-named in Eng. was the Marine Police, set up 1798 to protect merchandise at the Port of London. The verb “to keep order by means of police” is from 1841; policeman is from 1829. Police state “state regulated by means of national police” first recorded 1865, with ref. to Austria.

Polite has a strictly Latin root, while both politics and police have different Greek roots.

Hank


22 posted on 05/18/2007 6:28:20 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: newcthem; Mr. Jeeves

“Funny, but growing up in this time, I did not find it stifling, or limiting. Quite the contrary, we found we had unlimited opportunities for play and work, and a bright future. Quite a contrast to the attitudes prevalent in today’s culture.”

Thank you for answering for me. It truly is impossible for anyone today that did not experience that age to understand it. Care to venture a guess at the age of Mr. Jeeves? I’m willing to bet a years salary he’s under 50.

Hank


23 posted on 05/18/2007 6:34:38 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
Despite all the rosy pictures people like to paint of the 1950s, it really sucked to be a black man. Or a woman who wanted a career.

Also, if you liked good beer, good luck finding it in the 1950s.

24 posted on 05/18/2007 6:40:41 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 74 days away from outliving Curt Hennig (whoever he is))
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To: snowrip
Latin America is as much a part of "the West" as the US.

The key is not WESTERN civilization, which any monkey can adopt the superficial trimmings of. It is AMERICAN CIVILIZATION, which, IMHO, is something deeper.

BTW: The RUDEST and CRUDEST folks I ever met on earth were not from South of the Border. They were the feral spawn of the native born underclass.

25 posted on 05/18/2007 6:44:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

“His data seems to undermine his own assertion ‘we can’t go back’.”

I’m not sure the argument has been made “we can’t go back,” but suspect it’s true nevertheless. While the 50s were certainly a partial return to the best of America’s Western civilization, it was imperfect. By the end of the 60’s a threshold of corruption was reached, that I believe is irreversible.

The resurgance of “civilization” of the fifties was exactly what you have attributed it to, the kind of people that dominated the society of the 40s and 50s, the kind of people described in this article.

The difference between the 50s and today, over and above the obvious decadence of todays society and culture and oppressive government is the country’s demography. The decadence of the present age is not like that of the 20s and 30s, which was born more of disillusionment and dispair—it is the result of a society comprised of people with little or no integrity or character.

Hank


26 posted on 05/18/2007 8:05:01 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Off topic tidbit: the tall man standing to the left of Vivien Leigh (Scarlett) is none other than George Reeves, TV’s Superman in the ‘50a. He played one of the Tarleton twins.


27 posted on 05/18/2007 8:30:20 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: SamAdams76

“Also, if you liked good beer, good luck finding it in the 1950s.”

Good grief, you are definitely showing your age. In this day of “light” this and this “light,” and every possible wimpy “rice” beer dominating the commonly available brews, anyone would criticize what was available in the 50s, just does not know what they are talking about. Men (and those real women who appreciated real brew) in the 50s mostly did not drink beer anyway, just because it was pedestrian and week. Ale was the drink of people of character. Most of them are gone today, just as are those people, ales like Pickwick, Dawson, Carling Red Cap, 12 Horse, and many more. The only Ale from the 50s (and before) still available is Ballantine. It’s not for wimps—I do not think you would like it.

Hank


28 posted on 05/18/2007 8:42:54 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
Care to venture a guess at the age of Mr. Jeeves? I’m willing to bet a years salary he’s under 50.

42, so you win. ;)

But I also remember the 60's and 70's as stifling and limiting, especially if you lived in the rural Midwest. Culturally, a giant Presbyterian Sunday School...but I guess some people wish it still was.

29 posted on 05/18/2007 8:58:34 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Hank Kerchief
The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men

Is civilization not ruled by laws?

Savages have no law other than the law of the jungle. Civilized society cannot exist without law.

People were jealous of their privacy which they regarded a recognition of one's own being as an independent individual. To have one's own privacy violated or to violate another's was tantamount to physical assault. One's thoughts, one's body, one's business were their own, to be shared or not by their own choice.

How is privacy to be enforced? Isn't it the right of a free person to try to find out information about other people? Isn't it it the right of a free person to communicate such information to others? To what extent should the violent force of government be used to protect privacy?

People minded their own business, and expected others to mind theirs—it was part of their decency.

Is it decent to claim that the right to privacy includes the right to murder the unborn?

30 posted on 05/18/2007 9:01:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Hank Kerchief

Yes, it is so. Latin is Greek with a country accent.


31 posted on 05/19/2007 8:46:25 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Hank Kerchief

The crime statistic is interesting, but most of the article smacks of selective memory and exaggeration. I suspect his view of the 50’s has much to do with his young age when he experienced it. Statements like “adults, a status that, in those days, had to be earned, and was not conferred simply because someone had lived a certain number of years” don’t even make sense. Or distinguishing the 50’s as a time when people had something to live for—this sounds like an unhappy man projecting his dysthymia on an entire generation.

It is true that a growing cultural irreverence, well-earned by our politicians during the Vietnam era, has led to a gritty indecency in popular movies and music, which has been emulated by many everyday people. It has lead to a well-earned disrespect for government institutions and leaders and a coarsening of political rhetoric.

I for one like the trend. Election to public office does not merit respect, and that people are willing without hesitation to call their public leaders to task is an advancement over the 1950’s. It might be better if it happened without cursing, screaming, and incivility, but the important thing is that it is happening. The times when people cowered before the title of “Senator” or “Governor” I hope are over. Tomorrow’s grandmother hopefully will not dream of her grandchild becoming President, but rather of doing something valuable with his or her life.

Part of the reason such reverence for the civility of the 1950’s falls on deaf ears is because of the 50’s skeletons in the closet—widespread racism and condescension of women. Saying “Thank you ma’am” in one breath and “back of the bus N*****” in the next is hardly endearing to someone with a modern more consistent view of human respect.

The 1950’s was also a time of 91% marginal tax rates, the golden age of American unions, injection of religious fundamentalism into government, and some of the worst sha-boom music the world has ever seen.

There is much to be praised about the 50’s to be sure—especially if “Leave it to Beaver” is nonfiction, but this guy’s article is really out of balance.


32 posted on 05/19/2007 9:34:43 AM PDT by beavus (People are rational in the mundane. Irrationality is left for what matters most.)
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To: devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo
American society of the fifties was dominated by young and middle-aged people who were the most civilized of the entire 20th century.
33 posted on 05/19/2007 3:55:44 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

Yup!

And no pansies were cultivated at Fort Benning in the 40s & 50s

Ike had millions of illegal aliens deported and knew how to handle uncivilized people too

Today it’s “Oh! We can’t do that!”

“It’s too hard!”

“It’s impossible!

“It’s not fair!”


34 posted on 05/19/2007 4:19:12 PM PDT by devolve ( _ignore_tax_the_illegal_alien_way?_ _send_cash_out_of_the_USA?_)
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To: devolve
[Today it’s “Oh! We can’t do that!”]

Probably because they let it go on for so many years until it’s overwhelming. Done consistently according to the law would have keep us in good shape.

Some wrote that; “it was a very stifling, limiting culture”. Don’t think people would have thought that at the time and the current women’s libbers would have blown their minds.

Doors left unlocked over night for the milkman delivery and kids free to roam all day with out fear of molesters, the good things are endless.

Consider the things people fear and worry about now-days!

35 posted on 05/19/2007 4:30:29 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

Stifling & limiting?

I did not consider Pompano, Fort Lauderale, Miami to be “stifling!”

Doors at home unlocked - Right

Cars parked unlocked most times too

I could carry my carbine in the trunk of my convertible and park it in the HS lot

No illegal aliens were working off the books to take our after school and Saturday jobs

Crime was virtually non-existent and you could walk or drive anywhere safely


36 posted on 05/19/2007 4:45:03 PM PDT by devolve ( _ignore_tax_the_illegal_alien_way?_ _send_cash_out_of_the_USA?_)
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To: devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; bitt
Bet they are Stifling & limiting now! Watch out for the robber, mugger, druggie and street gangs.

Don’t let your child go here or there alone, not safe!

Watch out for this business or that one because they will try to cheat you and give you bad service in the bargain.

Watch out for your politicians because they don’t care what the hell you think!!

Watch out for your Church Ministers because they are interpreting the Bible and setting their own rules, plus demanding tithes so they can build that football sized Church complex.

Lol, I’ll stop.

37 posted on 05/19/2007 4:53:39 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

I don’t even think I locked my car trunk or glove compartment while parked at school or at work after school

My semi-auto scoped carbine was in a heavy fabric riflecase from Sears and loaded magazines and extra hollowpoints in my glovebox

Nobody ever touched the car or tried to steal my carbine

An armed society is a polite society

God made men and women

Sam Colt made them all equal

(some are much better with Sam’s iron than others)


38 posted on 05/19/2007 5:14:19 PM PDT by devolve ( _ignore_tax_the_illegal_alien_way?_ _send_cash_out_of_the_USA?_)
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To: Hank Kerchief
If this description [of the 20s] sounds like today's society and culture it is because the spirit of the fifties is now lost forever. We are again in an age where nothing is revered and the utmost contempt is poured on anyone who holds anything sacred. It is why it is almost impossible for anyone today to understand the spirit of the 50s.

Firehammer's overall point may or may not be right -- I couldn't finish the article -- but his reasoning in this statement is ludicrous: essentially, he offers the frivolity of the 20s as proof that the "spirit of the 50s" is now "lost forever." And yet, according to my calendar, the 50s happened after the 20s ... clearly it is possible to recover from frivolity. It's not even difficult to define the conditions under which that might happen: bad times and suffering often tend to bring out the best in people and societies.

But then, I've learned over the years not to take "The Autonomist" very seriously.

39 posted on 05/19/2007 5:24:13 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: devolve
I’ll bet you even left your car keys in the unlocked car!!

In Frontier days even kids walked around with guns - but they weren’t killing each other like the druggies and gangs of today.

So strange how the anti-gun people think!

40 posted on 05/19/2007 5:26:03 PM PDT by potlatch
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