Bring it on, you liberal Yankee swine.
Posted on 05/13/2007 9:10:56 PM PDT by neverdem
RICHMOND -- Attorney General Bob McDonnell has warned New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg about a new law that would prevent the mayor from sending undercover private investigators to buy guns in Virginia.
Mr. Bloomberg, a Republican, has sued 27 out-of-state gun dealers in attempt to reduce the flow of illegal guns into New York. Between 80 percent and 90 percent of the firearms used to commit crimes in the city are initially purchased out of state, according to police.
City officials say the dealers have supplied hundreds of weapons used in New York City crimes. The lawsuits, which name dealers in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia, ask the courts to require monitoring of the shops' sales. Twelve have settled.
"While I understand that you are attempting to take steps that you believe may enhance the public safety of the citizens of New York City, such laws are Virginia's duty to enforce," Mr. McDonnell said in a letter to Mr. Bloomberg, a fellow Republican, last month apprising him of the law, which takes effect July 1.
Wearing hidden cameras, investigators tried to make "straw purchases," in which one person fills out the legal forms and buys a gun for someone else. The practice is prohibited by federal law and typically is used by those who cannot own firearms legally, such as convicted felons.
The new state law makes undercover gun purchases by non-law-enforcement entities a felony. Mr. McDonnell said the law "strikes the proper balance between ensuring effective law enforcement and protecting the rights of law-abiding firearms dealers" and the Second Amendment rights of Virginians.
"Law-abiding Virginia gun dealers certainly do not deserve to be targeted by private agents intentionally misleading them as to their...,"
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“...a new law that would prevent the mayor from sending undercover private investigators to buy guns in Virginia. “
A law to prevent the NY Mayor from ordering people to break the law ? Just how does that work ?
Couldn't be further from the truth!
I’ve got a list of things I’d like to fix about New York. I guess this means Mayor Bloomberg won’t mind?
If the presence of guns causes crime, then a place that has so many guns that it can export them, in addition to the ones it keeps for itself, would be having an even worse crime problem than the place where the guns are going to. And that clearly is not what's happening."
I still can’t figure out why they skipped Maryland.
It might work to apply your reasoning, with a socialist twist: The mayor could import guns and give them away to all adults who complete training.
It’s way past time for the political leaders of the states Bloomberg has targeted, to start inquiring loudly as to why the city he presides over is such a magnet for guns-for-crime. Throw it back it him. Lots of guns are sold in Virginia. Why is it that of the small percentage of those that end up being used in crimes, so mnay find their way to NYC. It’s a big, big country. Those guns could be spreading out all over the place, but somehow they’re making a beeline for NYC. Make him explain WHY?
Bloomberg should read John Lott’s “More Guns, Less Crime”. But he’s probably too “liberal” for that.
“Liberals” are such backwards hypocrites and sissy wussies.
Anybody know the setup used to target these dealers? Does the “customer” walk in announcing his intentions to purchase for somebody else, even filling out the forms and marking down that the purchase is not for the buyer but for another person?
Or do they drop hints concerning the straw purchase that the dealer is supposed to pick-up on?
Personally I hope these private “agents” of Bloombergs start getting arrested over this BS.
IIRC, that was the M.O. which was caught on video.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
—ditto—I too have always wondered what it is about those New Yorkers—
Bring it on, you liberal Yankee swine.
That seems to be what they were doing, based on the accounts I’ve read. I know one of the dealers they targeted in Pennsylvania, it is not the kind of place that caters to low lifes.
I’ve had plenty of instances where two men came into the store and looked at a gun. One guy asked all the questions, then the other one bought it. Mostly this is someone who brought along his buddy who ‘knows guns.’ Once in a very rare while, it’s a straw purchase. I’ve had other times when the one who asked all the questions said he wanted one, too, and we ordered the same model for him to pick up later.
If they give off too many signals, I ask a simple question. “Why are you filling out the form when he was looking at the gun?” They admitted a straw purchase perhaps five times in the past 11 years. I suppose if someone came in and tried to order a dozen of Jimenez Arms’ finest, I’d tell him no way, but it’s never happened to me. I don’t know anyone else that it happened too, either.
About two months ago my GF and I went to buy a gun for her. We looked at a bunch and then she decided. I pulled out the credit card, filled out the form, gave the guy my CCW and walked out the door with the gun.
During out talking with the salesman we made no bones that the gun was for her. I just paid for it and did the paper work to avoid the 3 day wait. BTW we are both in our 50s and I have bought guns there before.
Illegal? Yeah, probably a ‘starw’ purchase. We never said anything other than I was buying her a new .22 for the range.
Good point. I know it’s not illegal to buy a gun as a gift, so where is the line drawn?
The BATFE has an exact count of the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin. Yes, it was a silly paperwork violation, and yes, you are clearly using the gun for a good and lawful purpose, but the store can lose it’s license for that, and you both can get nailed for it.
The line, according to the BATFE, is that the person completing the form is the intended user. A gift to a legal owner is a legitimate use of the gun, so the buyer is considered the intended user of the gun. But if you buy a gun for a buddy who hasn’t got time to go to the store, it is a straw purchase. If you buy a gun for a buddy who is perfectly legal to have it, but does not want to fill out the 4473, it’s a straw purchase. If your wife dosn’t like the guy in the gun store and you go get her new gun, it’s a straw purchase. A person with a permit that exempts him from the stupid waiting period buying the gun so the other person doesn’t have to wait makes a straw purchase. I guess the guys in the store know you, otherwise they should not have done that. Ridiculous, isn’t it?
Next phase would be the arrest by Virginia authorities of the “paid agents” of NYC in the act of making a straw purchase or videos of the attempt, including the false filing of the paperwork required by the U.S.government.
(Yet another crime). I wonder what New York City (State) would think about Law Enforcement representatives of Virginia operating within the city/state sans approval or cooperation of the relevant authorities?
What a ghey LOSER Bloomboy is! A DRIVE-BY mayor!
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