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Dem candidates suddenly using religious-speak again
Jewish World Review ^ | May 8, 2007 | Mike Dorning

Posted on 05/12/2007 11:58:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

This time it may be the Democrats who are getting religion. Former Sen. John Edwards invoked "My Lord" when asked about moral influences on his life in the first Democratic presidential debate. At a campaign event on the day of the Virginia Tech massacre, he offered a prayer and — in a pointed break from Democratic candidates' usual wariness of offending religious minorities — closed with the words "in Christ's name."

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. comfortably works in references to his faith at public appearances. Even before his presidential candidacy, he gave a well-received speech arguing for a greater role for religion in politics and cultivated relationships with influential church leaders, including mega-church pastor and best-selling author Rick Warren.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., included a paragraph about faith in the official biography on her campaign Web site. And in her Senate re-election campaign last year, she drew notice in the New York press for wearing a cross at some public events.

Reversing recent political history, it's the leading Republican candidates who for various reasons have so far been reluctant to speak too much about matters of faith.

"Give the advantage to the Democrats at this point," said Rich Cizik, vice president for governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals. "You would have to conclude that the Democrats have a lot more interest in faith than the Republicans based on what they've had to say."

Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, a twice-divorced Catholic, holds liberal views on abortion and gay rights. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a divorced Episcopalian, has a tense relationship with leaders of the Religious Right. And former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is a devout Mormon whose religion arouses suspicion among many evangelicals.

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Do the democrats really think they can fool enough evangelicals and other conservative Christians? Do you think that they will pull this off?
1 posted on 05/12/2007 11:58:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In short, no.


2 posted on 05/13/2007 12:03:31 AM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: everyone

Phony krap. And Rich Cizik is either a gold-plated idiot or a liberal activist. And the organization that hired him is either double-dipped stupid or liberal.


3 posted on 05/13/2007 12:09:05 AM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Alex Murphy; Terriergal

Which will be the first to trot out Rick Warren?


4 posted on 05/13/2007 12:10:27 AM PDT by Gamecock (FR Member Gamecock: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Phoniness, however, can work in politics, especially against weak opponents. So yes, the Rats think they can fool a significant number of Christians. And they may even turn out to be right. To some extent, that’s up to us. To a greater extent, it’s up to the Republican candidates, top to bottom, who are nominated and run in ‘08.


5 posted on 05/13/2007 12:10:41 AM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The party that uses condems for business cards is not going to get very far down this road—unless “Pastors” like Rick Warren let them borrrow their pulpits. Wait. Too late.


6 posted on 05/13/2007 12:13:45 AM PDT by farmer18th
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is also the hour that I am going to separate the sheep who have followed after my voice from those goats who closed their ears and hardened their hearts when they heard my voice. This is the hour that I am going to destroy the nature of the beast in those who have hated the beast, but to them who loved, and worshipped, and served the creature rather than the Creator, they shall be judged. This is the hour that I am going to give all those who have made light
of my calling and rejected the counsels of my words over, and they shall walk in the name of their god; in the fullness of the nature, the characteristics, and the authority of the beast. To those goats who not have me to reign over them, they shall have no power to restrain the powers of darkness that are coming upon the earth; for no evil or wicked thing shall be restrained from entering into
the desires of their hearts or the thinking in their minds. This is the hour that the sons of perdition shall manifest the fullness of sin; for the man of sin is he who rejected my counsel, refused my correction, doubted my words, betrayed my trust, and was fearful to come before me. For the sons of perdition have hated God’s dominion and sovereignty, and neither have they feared their God. They have despised his instruction and exalted their own thoughts to be more righteous than God’s thoughts. These are they who have loved being their own lords, and they are confident that they shall be justified by their own efforts and words. I was always there for them but they mocked my love and would have nothing of me. These are they who have praised me with their mouths and honored me with their lips but delighted in keeping their hearts far from me. These are they who allowed for themselves to be deceived because they loved the flattering lies and rejected me; they rejected me because I am the truth that they hate.


7 posted on 05/13/2007 2:29:11 AM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Forget Evangelicals and Conservative Christians. Anybody who thinks Edwards' "Mah Lord" schtick is genuine is also waiting for the deed to that swampland to arrive.
8 posted on 05/13/2007 2:30:03 AM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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Do the democrats really think they can fool enough evangelicals and other conservative Christians? Do you think that they will pull this off?

They don’t have to actually win votes. All they have to do is convince conservative Christians that Demonrats are no worse than Republicans. If evangelicals just sit home it’s a win for them. And since Republicans often have character flaws it is easy to attack them for hypocrisy when the flaws become public knowledge.

Look for another manufactured scandal just before election time to clinch the deal.

9 posted on 05/13/2007 2:52:12 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Do you know what they do to puppets in prison?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t know how anyone can proclaim faith whose primary focus when it is all said and done, is abortion—the killing of human life.


10 posted on 05/13/2007 4:15:43 AM PDT by BamaAndy (Professor Librescu is an American hero.)
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To: BamaAndy

Anything can be spun. The key is how gullible the audience is. And there is a growing Emerging group of (middle-aged and younger) “Evangelicals,” tired of being demonized and lumped in with Pat Robertson as the Evilist Creatures Ever to Inhabit the Planet, who are buying into the Jim Wallis, Tony Compolo shtick.

But what made it possible in many ways was the fact that too many Pubbies did use and abuse the religious right, merely mouthed the talk and did not walk the walk in Washington. How many times, from 1995 onward, were we told, “just be patient with us, we’ll get to your social issues agenda, but fiscal issues are more important.” Congressional Republicans are the villains here, more so than G. W. B.—he did fulfill his promise on SCOTUS, the Partial Birth Abortion Ban etc., and his threats to veto hate-crimes (Christian-criminalizing) legislation has helped. Congress is the real problem, particularly Senate ‘publicans.


11 posted on 05/13/2007 4:55:32 AM PDT by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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But what made it possible in many ways was the fact that too many Pubbies did use and abuse the religious right, merely mouthed the talk and did not walk the walk in Washington.

Exactly true. And now the leading candidate for the GOP nomination has told religious voters to put their concerns on the back burner once again and focus entirely on national security/economics (and, oh, to pay for abortions with tax dollars). Is it any wonder the Republican Party is going down in flames?

12 posted on 05/13/2007 5:39:55 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., included a paragraph about faith in the official biography on her campaign Web site. And in her Senate re-election campaign last year, she drew notice in the New York press for wearing a cross at some public events.

Shad to have been wearing an asbestos top to protect from burns.

13 posted on 05/13/2007 5:42:38 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Unattended children will be given a large espresso and a free kitten)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Democrat reasoning:
Religious people are gullible, right? I mean they vote Republican don't they? And Republicans say "God" at them a lot.

So I figure they'll forget I'm war with them and vote for me if I say "God" at them even more than the Republicans. Yeah, that's the ticket.


14 posted on 05/13/2007 8:59:50 AM PDT by Salman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wish they would stop referring to Rudy as a Catholic, I don’t see how he fits that classification by any stretch of the imagination.


15 posted on 05/13/2007 10:21:07 AM PDT by baa39
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Do the democrats really think they can fool enough evangelicals and other conservative Christians? Do you think that they will pull this off?

Consider this:

said Rich Cizik, vice president for governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals. "You would have to conclude that the Democrats have a lot more interest in faith than the Republicans based on what they've had to say."

It would appear that Mr. Cizik has never heard the proverb "Talk's cheap." If he actually means what he is saying, then he is every bit as credulous a fool as the 'rats think he is.

16 posted on 05/13/2007 10:47:18 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Unfortunately many Christians, including evangelicals will be drawn to the Dems' "social gospel" which they will be pumping hard in 08.

The Rick Warren type of evangelical. Blech.

17 posted on 05/13/2007 11:46:54 AM PDT by what's up
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Who knows. Jim Wallis is having them for a ‘meet the candidates’ debate or Q&A or something like that. “Get your tickets now” and all that rot. Oh supposedly they’ll have the Republicans later in the year...

I think it’s because that event is coming up that they figure they’d better start using god-speak again.


18 posted on 05/14/2007 10:23:21 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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Religious people are gullible, right? I mean they vote Republican don't they? And Republicans say "God" at them a lot. So I figure they'll forget I'm war with them and vote for me if I say "God" at them even more than the Republicans. Yeah, that's the ticket.

LOL that's about right! (their reasoning, though it's obviously untrue -- except among the emergent/sojourner/apostates who still think they're Christians.)

19 posted on 05/14/2007 10:25:31 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

^


20 posted on 09/08/2007 12:13:29 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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