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Platoon... Reality or Stonism?
Philistone | 05/10/2007 | Philistone

Posted on 05/10/2007 8:19:21 PM PDT by Philistone

So I'm watching Platoon on demand for about the 15th time.

I saw it the first time in a theater when it first came out with a former army grunt. The fact that I was a snot nosed, 24 year-old white boy who'd never been in the service and he was a 50 year-old black engineer had nothing to do with it. He told me he used to go out on patrol with no food or water so he could carry more guns and ammo. He wasn't going down without a fight.

Walking out, he told me "that's EXACTLY what it was like."

All I could think about was how HOLLYWOOD the whole film was (the guy who reads the letter from his mom only to get blown up in the next scene, The good vs evil Sargeants, etc.)

I'd be interested in hearing from some other vets as to their reaction to this film.


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KEYWORDS: hollyweird; oliverstone; platoon; vietnamwar
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To: Philistone
Maybe this has been addressed, I didn't read all the posts as I have to get to work, but believe it or not, the now wacky Oliver Stone was a grunt in VN.

He wrote Platoon from his own experiences and the Charlie Sheen character was 'him'.

(An aside maybe Stone is wacky now from smoking all that VN weed???)

41 posted on 05/11/2007 6:25:23 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: tiger-one
I am a Viet Nam non-combat vet.

And a draftee at that. Thanks

RA 16716---

42 posted on 05/11/2007 6:48:47 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: MPJackal

I was speaking more of the DI persona & combat scenes in FMJ. You are right - Kubrick, Stone & co. are major flakes.


43 posted on 05/11/2007 8:31:03 AM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: Philistone
I have two brother who were in the military during Viet Nam. One was Army (13 years older than me) and the other Marine (7 years older than me). Both served in Nam. The Army brother spent time in Germany first and then - I think - the last year of four in Nam. He got out in 68. The Marine brother joined in late 67 and was in Nam 68-69. He was a radioman. The Army brother said Platoon was the biggest load of crap he ever saw and if he found himself in a unit like that, he would move heaven and earth to get out and report the people. The Marine brother said it was just like that. So whom do you believe?

I think both are right. I think during the later stages of Viet Nam it became weird like Platoon. The eary stages of Viet Nam were like We Were Soldiers. Also, I guess it depends on where you were and whether you were Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine; in the bush or a REMF.

All just my opinion.

44 posted on 05/11/2007 8:44:05 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Clemenza

Basically, you’re right. When WW II started, I don’t think the United States was rated in the top ten militaries of the world. People need to remember that during the 30’s, our army trained with broomsticks, yelling bang, and cars drove around with signs of TANK on them, acting as tanks. Years ago, I use to marvel at how all these great military leaders where around at the time we needed them. Found out it was not by accident. George Marshall, during his time in the army, when he would meet someone who impressed him, would write that person’s name in a black book. When WW II hit the fan, he had a ready list of leaders. I have also read and heard that when war comes, the incompetant’s are eventually swept aside or killed.


45 posted on 05/11/2007 8:52:18 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: onedoug

ping


46 posted on 05/11/2007 9:04:36 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: Philistone

Rather than watch a movie, read STOLEN VALOR by BG Burkett.


47 posted on 05/11/2007 9:30:12 AM PDT by donozark (Sometimes I think if it weren't for flashbacks I'd have no memory at all...)
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To: Philistone
My father was a young career officer (Corps of Engineers) in the Army in VN in the mid thru late 60’s and tells me that Apocalypse Now and The Siege of Firebase Gloria were the most/best realistic VN films he has seen. He say he ran across men like the crazy Colonel in AN and the Firebase Gloria portrays life out on a Firebase accurately.

Up until recently, I never asked my father about VN because I knew there was pain there and repected him too much to ask. I will never forget the look in his eyes when he told me that his replacement whom he knew very well was killed the very next day after my father left, he carries the guilt to this day I beleive.

48 posted on 05/11/2007 9:31:49 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: ßuddaßudd

Platoon is every cliche about serving in VN lumped into one movie. A far more realistic movie is “Hamburger Hill.” Or the second half of “Full Metal Jacket” although that is cliche-riddled as well (just an interesting change from the jungle movies).

See Hamburger Hill. Far better (except for Dylan McDermott’s hair).


49 posted on 05/11/2007 9:40:20 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: leadpenny

You left out ‘Boys of Company C’. Pretty good one.


50 posted on 05/11/2007 9:47:46 AM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71 US Army 75-79 3d Inf Old Guard)
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To: whitedog57

Will do. I will add that my father has yet to see “We Were Soldiers” but read the book and recommended it to me.


51 posted on 05/11/2007 10:11:02 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: chesty_puller
Thanks for reminding me about "The Boys From Company C." I'm almost certain I saw it but for some reason I was distracted in my job or my marriage at the time. Even on IMDb it says:

A very good film about the war in Viet-Nam that's is sadly over looked by other films such as Apocalypse Now, Platoon and Full Metal Jacket.

It's on my list to see again.

52 posted on 05/11/2007 10:41:19 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Philistone

That scene from one those VN movies, where it’s raining, and the one who has the duty is trying deperately to stay awake, and he’s shaking from being wet and cold, and he’s having problems processing reality he’s so tired, and he’s looking at the terrain and he doesn’t see anything (and you don’t either) and all of a sudden (good thing he wasn’t blinking at that moment) he sees a part of the “terrain” he’s been staring at move (NVA)- that’s the real thing.


53 posted on 05/11/2007 10:48:25 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (Meanwhile, there has been no progress on fixing Social Security!)
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To: MPJackal
...Except the "Basic" sequence rang somewhat true. R Lee Ermey was pretty good.

"Platoon" doesn't really reflect my Vietnam experience, nor evidently that of Robert Hemphill who was CO of "Platoon: Bravo Company" who's book by the same name details his own record.

I was a medic in Armor, 1/1 CAV, Americal Division, I Corps 1968-69.

I think the movie that best reflects some of the experiences I had is "84 Charlie MoPic". 'Kind of obscure, but interesting.

54 posted on 05/11/2007 1:44:07 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Philistone

Captain Dale Dye wrote the script for Platoon, therefore I tend to believe it’s pretty much the way it was.


55 posted on 05/11/2007 1:46:19 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: windcliff
Got it. Hamburger Hill is interesting too.

I'm up by the way.

56 posted on 05/11/2007 1:46:25 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Philistone

Since I was born in 1963, I can’t testify to the veracity of Platoon. I’ve seen it several times, as I watched “Tour of Duty”, which I thought was an EXCELLENT potrayal of what went on in VN.

From personal experience, I’ve hunted a good bit as a younger guy. From what I have read, the rural guys who were hunting savvy adjusted very quickly to Vietnam.

I see guys doing stuff in EVERY movie that I see and think “That’s stupid. If I’m trying to sneak up on another person or keep hidden, I would NOT be doing that.”


57 posted on 05/11/2007 1:53:51 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Philistone
A: Stonist BS

The plot is about Fratricide, every word of dialog is moral eroding blather, and the sub-plots have nobody obeying the chain of command.

It's written by and directed toward an audience that loaths military.

I haven't payed to see a single Oliver Stone project in my adult life, and THANK GOD!

58 posted on 05/11/2007 2:01:25 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: advance_copy

You’ve just said it all right there.


59 posted on 05/11/2007 2:21:35 PM PDT by brushcop (Men of B-Co 2/69 3ID Outpost Bataan/Iraq: Doing what 95% of the country will not do.)
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To: 7thson
Years ago, I use to marvel at how all these great military leaders where around at the time we needed them. Found out it was not by accident. George Marshall, during his time in the army, when he would meet someone who impressed him, would write that person’s name in a black book. When WW II hit the fan, he had a ready list of leaders. I have also read and heard that when war comes, the incompetant’s are eventually swept aside or killed.

A similar thing happened during the Civil War. At the beginning, the Union Army was for the most part, a mess. Four years later as the true leaders emerged through the ranks, it was by far the most powerful army the world had ever seen.

60 posted on 05/11/2007 2:22:47 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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