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Jihad in Jersey
Nattional Review Online ^ | May 9, 2007 | Victor David Hansen & Mary Habeck

Posted on 05/10/2007 9:26:55 AM PDT by Wuli

Based on what we’re learning about the plot, the cell, and how their plans were averted, National Review Online asked a group of experts: What’s the most important lesson we should take from the averted terrorist attack on Fort Dix?

Mary Habeck There are three important lessons to learn about these six men. First, they seem to have taken to heart Abu Musab al-Suri’s advice to create a decentralized global Islamic resistance. Al-Suri — a key member of the al Qaeda leadership before his arrest last year — published a 1,600-page screed online in which he argued....

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Victor Davis Hanson The Fort Dix arrests raise the same-old/same-old script.

X-numbers of jihadists are caught trying to plot assassination, or to attack an airliner, or to take out a mall. They all will deny it.

Someone like CAIR will jump in, perhaps with the ACLU, alleging improper this and that; and the public after privately sighing relief and a few guarded grumbles along the politically incorrect lines of “Who in the hell let these people in this country?” will....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alqueda; ftdix; islam; kosovo; muhammadsminions
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Two who "get it".
1 posted on 05/10/2007 9:26:58 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1830651/posts
Jersey Has A Long And Twisted Connection With Terrorists

Post 24: “The 10 included the six men under arrest, authorities said.”

Anyone else hear there were more than 6?


2 posted on 05/10/2007 9:32:44 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Wuli
“Who in the hell let these people in this country?”

In this case it appears that at least a couple of them were smuggled across our southern border.

But they're just here to attack the US Military bases regular Americans don't want to attack....

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3 posted on 05/10/2007 9:35:11 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing 'moderate' islam to 'extremist' islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
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To: Wuli
The two important lessons learned are:

(1) Vigilant citizens can make an important difference. Be alert!

(2) The Muslim community cannot be relied upon to ever do the patriotic thing. Everyone in the terrorists' community was well aware of their attitudes and intentions - these guys were so brazen they approached non-Muslim strangers with their plans. No one said anything.

4 posted on 05/10/2007 9:36:46 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Wuli
Two who "get it".

No there are really three of us.

5 posted on 05/10/2007 9:40:26 AM PDT by WesternPacific
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To: wideawake

the third lesson: the MSM said nothing about them being Muslim.


6 posted on 05/10/2007 9:41:04 AM PDT by Sundog (envision whirled peas.)
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To: Wuli

“Until Muslim anti-Islamists can defeat Islamism (political Islam) as an ideology, we will not make any headway at preventing the germination of the next cell.”

Jasser should convert. He is far too intelligent to not understand that Islam is political at its core.


7 posted on 05/10/2007 9:41:08 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Wuli
This incident once again shows the need to protect our borders, deport illegal aliens, and greatly reduce legal immigration, admitting only those fully screened. Our greatest threat comes from within - from the invasion of this country
8 posted on 05/10/2007 9:44:42 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Wuli

Also, Habek says:

“While we may see our actions in this war-torn part of the world as one of our “good deeds,” in the jihadist conspiratorial vision of events, the U.S. was only involved in this conflict in order to kill Muslims. “

If that vision were true, there would be no Muslims left by now.


9 posted on 05/10/2007 9:46:23 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Wuli

Neighbors said the family had lived on the block for about seven years and had always seemed different from other suburbanites. There were 10 to 20 people living there - two parents, five children, five grandchildren, daughters-in-law and others. The family raised sheep, goats and roosters in the backyard.


10 posted on 05/10/2007 9:53:32 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Calpernia

Yes, they apparently don’t have enough cause to arrest the other four, but are keeping them under surveillance.


11 posted on 05/10/2007 9:53:49 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

I wish someone would keep the media under surveillance. Four at large and the MSM can’t shut up about the store clerk.


12 posted on 05/10/2007 10:02:09 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Wuli

All those paragraphs to say what nearly two centuries of Americans before us already knew and did: NO one from a Muslim country allowed in; NO tolerance for Islam. Period.


13 posted on 05/10/2007 10:21:41 AM PDT by hardworking (The biggest problem we have is the lack of term limits in the U.S. Senate.)
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To: BuffaloJack

That should have given a clue. There would be hysteria in our neighborhood if we raised farm animals in the back yard.


14 posted on 05/10/2007 11:19:21 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: sageb1

“in the jihadist conspiratorial vision of events, the U.S. was only involved in this conflict in order to kill Muslims.“

All of the Middle East and most Muslims have their daily consciousness infused with myths, powerful myths by which the facts can be ignored - like the facts of all the Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan we are protecting from the jihadists and for which we are hoping to protect their societies from being dictated to by the jihadists.


15 posted on 05/10/2007 11:41:24 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Dante3

“Our greatest threat comes from within - from the invasion of this country”

From the invasion of those coming to work against us in cooperation with our own Marxist fifth column that seeks to lower our defenses against the jihadists, foreign and domestic. Both groups seek to foment internal civil disruption and ferment for their own political ends. They will continue to feed the political wings of their separate agendas off of the short-term needs of each other. (I should copyright that line!!!!)


16 posted on 05/10/2007 11:46:53 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
Here's two more (from the link):

M. Zuhdi Jasser

1) While most Muslims have never met militants like those arrested, Muslim organizations should understand that only Muslims hold the keys to the way to overwhelm and counter the ideology which fuels these radicals. Muslim organizations should be clamoring to expose and infiltrate the ideology and sources which drove these traitors to sprout their radical cell.

— M. Zuhdi Jasser is the chairman of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy based in Phoenix, Arizona. He is a former lieutenant commander in the U.S. Navy.

This is the Muslim featured in the PBS-funded documentary on moderate Muslims which PBS has subsequently refused to air.

Another one who "gets it":

Daniel Pipes

First, that immigrants seeking refuge in the West must be grilled for their attitudes toward our civilization, our religion, and politics. Whether it be Somali refugees in the United Kingdom, Algerian ones in France, or Balkan ones in the United States (remember the Salt Lake City shooter in February, as well as four of the current six accused terrorists), individuals given the privilege and benefits of a new life then with some regularity turn around and attack their adapted fellow citizens. This unacceptable pattern has to be scrutinized to prevent future such atrocities.

17 posted on 05/10/2007 1:23:39 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: happygrl

BUMP


18 posted on 05/10/2007 4:53:24 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Valin; zimdog

M. Zuhdi Jasser

“News of the FBI’s arrests of six militant Islamists in New Jersey who plotted to kill our soldiers at Fort Dix was met yet again with the same tired responses of shock and dismissal from the mainstream media (MSM) and from major American Islamist organizations. An FBI agent poignantly noted that we “dodged another bullet.” The enemy is certainly rearming and germinating another cell somewhere. Rather than the same old tired minority politics, we in the Muslim community should be accepting the responsibility of cleaning our own house. More Muslims, more media, and more government officials should be noting that:

1) While most Muslims have never met militants like those arrested, Muslim organizations should understand that only Muslims hold the keys to the way to overwhelm and counter the ideology which fuels these radicals. Muslim organizations should be clamoring to expose and infiltrate the ideology and sources which drove these traitors to sprout their radical cell. We need an Islamic vaccine (the separation of spiritual Islam from political Islam) to the virus which afflicted these men. Until Muslim anti-Islamists can defeat Islamism (political Islam) as an ideology, we will not make any headway at preventing the germination of the next cell. We will only be left waiting, praying, for the FBI to help us, yet again, dodge the next bullet.

2) Will the FBI’s success here answer the question as to why we need to protect each and every citizen in America who practices the principle of “see something, say something” as the heroic video-store clerk (“John Doe”) did here? What if this “John Doe” had contrarily chosen to be silent due to a fear of litigation?

3) Will we continue to deny the fact that America is not exactly that far behind Europe in our susceptibility to homegrown terror cells?”


19 posted on 05/13/2007 5:37:33 PM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: wideawake

2) The Muslim community cannot be relied upon to ever do the patriotic thing.

Muslim) Informants in American Service
The Strategy Page ^ | June 4, 2006 | The Strategy Page

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1643576/posts
Posted on 06/05/2006 7:56:30 AM CDT by Little Ray

A recent terrorist trial, and conviction, of an Islamic terrorists in New York City brought out the extent to which police have infiltrated Moslem communities in order to uncover terrorist plots. While most of this counter-terrorist activity within Moslem communities is kept secret, enough information has leaked out to make it clear that it’s no accident that the United States has not suffered another terrorist attack since September 11, 2001.

There is an extensive informant network within Moslem communities all over the United States. The FBI was pleasantly surprised right after September 11, 2001, by the number of calls they got from American Moslems, reporting suspicious events in their communities, or volunteering to keep an eye on things. It turned out that there was a substantial number of American Moslems, most of them recent immigrants (legal and illegal) that were pro al Qaeda. These attitudes had been causing distress among American Moslems since the 1990s. There had been violence, and even some murders, as the Islamic radicals tried to take control of Mosques, and other Moslem immigrant organizations.
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Serving Was Soldier’s Mission - Sudan Native Killed in Iraq Did ‘Good Deeds’
Washington Post ^ | January 4, 2006 | Martin Weil

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1553478/posts
Posted on 01/06/2006 10:27:37 PM CST by redgirlinabluestate

Ayman Taha, a Berkeley graduate who was described as athletic, a speaker of many languages, and a friend to all who met him, had only to write his dissertation to earn his PhD, his father said.

But three years ago, Taha, a budding economist and the son of a Northern Virginia couple, Abdel-Rahman and Amal Taha, joined the Army to serve in the Special Forces. About a year ago, he was sent to Iraq.

On Friday, as Staff Sgt. Ayman Taha, 31, was preparing a cache of munitions for demolition in the town of Balad, the explosives detonated and he was killed, the Pentagon said yesterday.

It is “a very terrible thing,” Abdel-Rahman Taha said. “He was a son, and a very special son.”

The father added: “If you believe in God and you realize that this is God’s will . . . it makes it a lot easier.”

There is also consolation, the father said, in feeling that “this is something Ayman wanted to do.”
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Columbus, Ohio, native, Sunni Muslim fights in Global War on Terrorism (as a MARINE!)
Marine Corps News ^ | July 27, 2005 | Cpl. Ken Melton

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Posted on 07/27/2005 6:47:32 PM CDT by SandRat

HADITHA DAM, Iraq (July 27, 2005) — As the Marines with 3rd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment continue their fight in the Global War on Terrorism, most of them think of it as business and not personal.

However, for some Marines who are of the Islamic faith, the war in Iraq hits a personal note. Cpl. Mohammed N. Rahman, who is a Sunni Muslim, fights not only to free the people of Iraq from the insurgents grip and to protect his country (America), but also to redeem his beloved religion.

“This is a personal offense, not only to me but others who share my faith,” said the 23-year-old infantryman with 2nd Platoon, Company L. “The insurgents have scarred the image of my religion.”

Rahman was born in Dhaka, Bangladesh where he learned to speak Bangla, Hindi, Urdu, and Arabic during his childhood, before moving the United States with his family at age 12.

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India town buries U.S. Muslim soldier slain in Iraq
Reuters ^ | 9/4/04

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Posted on 09/04/2005 10:24:37 AM CDT by Valin

AHMEDABAD, India, Sept 4 (Reuters) - Hundreds of grieving Indian Muslims on Sunday attended the funeral of an Indian-born U.S. soldier killed in a rocket attack in Iraq last month. The body of 23-year-old Hatim Kathiria was flown to Dahod in the western state of Gujarat on Sunday, accompanied by U.S. officials and his wife, Lissy Jean-Pierre. “He was my only son. His ambitions took him to the U.S. and then to Iraq. We lost him, but he died a martyr’s death,” said a grief-stricken Shirin, Kathiria’s mother. More than 2,000 people thronged the streets of the Muslim-dominated town, some 90 km (56 miles) south of the state capital, Gandhinagar, shouting “long live the Indian martyr” and showering flower petals on the wooden coffin.

Kathiria, who went to the United States in 2003, joined the U.S. Army the following year, with the hope that a stint in the armed forces would help fund a college scholarship. “His services have been recognised by the U.S. armed forces and the family will be provided support,” said Michael Owen, the U.S. Consul General in Mumbai, who attended the funeral.

Kathiria is the second Indian-born soldier killed in Iraq after Sergeant Uday Singh from the northern state of Punjab died last December when his patrol was attacked by insurgents in Baghdad. Kathiria, who had an Indian degree in computer engineering, ran a computer system that kept track of U.S. army supplies and parts in Baghdad.

Nearly 1,900 U.S. troops have died in Iraq, many of them in attacks by Islamic insurgents opposed to U.S. policies. “He was a true Indian who fought against terrorism,” said Rehman Faiz, a local Muslim priest in Dahod.
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20 posted on 05/13/2007 8:47:41 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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