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Giuliani Plans to Publicly Embrace Abortion Rights [Rudy declares war on conservatism]
New York Times ^ | May 10, 2007 | By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MARC SANTORA

Posted on 05/09/2007 7:17:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

After months of giving ambiguous signals on abortion, Rudolph W. Giuliani is planning to offer a forthright affirmation of his support for abortion rights in public forums, television appearances and interviews in the coming days, despite potential consequences among some conservative voters already wary of his views, aides said yesterday.

At the same time, Mr. Giuliani’s campaign — seeking to accomplish the unusual task of persuading the Republican Party to nominate an abortion rights supporter as its presidential candidate — is eyeing a path to the nomination that would try to de-emphasize the early states in which abortion opponents wield a great deal of influence. Instead they would focus on the so-called mega-primary of Feb. 5, in which voters in states like California, New York and New Jersey are likely to be more receptive to Mr. Giuliani’s social views than voters in states like Iowa and South Carolina. They said that approach became more appealing after Florida, another state they said would be receptive to Mr. Giuliani, voted last week to move its primary forward to the end of January.

The shift in emphasis by Mr. Giuliani comes as his campaign has struggled to deal with the fallout from the first Republican presidential candidate debate in which he gave a halting and apparently contradictory responses to questions about his support for abortion rights. Mr. Giuliani’s aides were concerned both because it opened him up to a new round of criticism from abortion critics — who have never been happy with the prospect of a Republican presidential candidate who supports abortion rights — while threatening to undercut his image as a tough-talking iconoclast who does not equivocate on tough issues.

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To: Jim Robinson; All
“No need. I think Rudy just committed political suicide.”

This is an opportunity for the conservative pundits to turn on Rudy. If not, they’ve been lying about their convictions. (are you listening S. Hannity?)

261 posted on 05/10/2007 4:57:44 AM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: Liz; indylindy
"He is eyeing a path to the nomination that would try to de-emphasize the early states in which abortion opponents wield a great deal of influence."

I wonder how he expects to win, since that will involve more than half the states!

262 posted on 05/10/2007 4:58:29 AM PDT by TommyDale (Taxpayer funded abortions are not a Constitutional right, Mr. Giuliani!)
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To: TommyDale; indylindy; Just mythoughts; calcowgirl
"Rudy is eyeing a path to the nomination that would try to de-emphasize the early states in which abortion opponents wield a great deal of influence." .............. I wonder how he expects to win, since that will involve more than half the states!

He will use every trick in the book---voter fraud tops the list.

263 posted on 05/10/2007 5:07:33 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Liz
He will use every trick in the book---voter fraud tops the list.

Well he is in for a challenge as the liberals use voter fraud as their 'primary colors' method of winning elections. (Oh and for those uninformed the words 'primary colors' is the name of a book and movie describing Clintons methodology!!)

264 posted on 05/10/2007 5:11:20 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Jim Robinson
I think Rudy just committed political suicide.

From your mouth to God's Ear, Mr. Jim.

265 posted on 05/10/2007 5:11:24 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (The greatest danger to our troops is the Congress of the United States.)
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To: Jim Robinson
It's amazing how the RINOs all think they represent the party base. Or that the conservatives will fragment on individual social issues. I have to wonder about the people they choose to advise them. Buncha "yes" folks, ya think? Yeah BOSS. YOU RIGHT! YOU DA MAN!
266 posted on 05/10/2007 5:15:55 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Reminds me of that movie about that ghost ship dead in the water and nothing on board.


267 posted on 05/10/2007 5:18:03 AM PDT by DaGman (`)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rooty is starting to resemble Howard Dean more and more every day.


268 posted on 05/10/2007 5:19:08 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Liz; indylindy

See my new tag line!


269 posted on 05/10/2007 5:19:12 AM PDT by TommyDale (More people are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: Lexinom
Read your history book. The answer is simple: the ban is enforced against providers, just like it always was up until the 1970's (a little earlier in a couple states). The business about women being prosecuted is a strawman.

This is true, although it ultimately needs to be changed as well. We don't allow people to hire hitmen to murder their children and then only punish the hitmen. That would be outrageous.

But I do agree, Rootys ship is sunk. Not a moment too soon, either.
270 posted on 05/10/2007 5:27:26 AM PDT by LightBeam (Support the Surge. Support Victory.)
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To: Beagle8U
A rootie tootie spork weasel?

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271 posted on 05/10/2007 5:29:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Right from the get go, as many of us predicted, Rudy intends to split the Republican party if he does not become the pre-annointed presidential candidate of the Republican Party. Rudy wants to become the mayor of the USA or destroy all Republican chances for a victory. Iraq has now overshadowed his candidacy.

Other Freepers have been very busy researching these connections over the last several months.

See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1831003/posts?page=35#17

( Posts 17 to 29)

Its time that Rudy's candidacy is destroyed, utterly, by exposing his Mafia Connections to the general public. The sooner this is accomplished, the better. It provides the true socio-political context in which Giulliani attempted to have Homeland Security run by Kerik, a direct scion of the Gambino family of New Jersey.

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Interestingly, Giuliani had a 'Vulnerability Study' prepared for his 1993 Mayor's race. The results were so telling that he had the report destroyed-- sensitive information included reports of his "raucous social life" during his first marriage as well as his relations to members of the mob. Giuliani staff were also concerned about the "weirdness factor"-- perhaps most directly due to his marriage to his first cousin (further reading in Barrett's Rudy! An Investigative Biography).

JUST A SMALL SAMPLING of his connections to mafia organizations, corrupt deals, appointments of criminal and defamed friends and other scandals follow below. A few hours of research will reveal a great more information-- more than is necessary for this article:

FATHER AND UNCLE CONVICTED FOR MOB CRIMES

Giuliani's father was a convicted hold-up man who served time in an upstate prison and was later employed as an enforcer for a Mafia loan shark operation. When the book was first released Giuliani denied and later admitted it was true. According to the book, a number of his other relatives were also in the Mafia besides the uncles who were firemen and police officers that he proudly refers to in public speeches.

PRIMARY RESOURCE: Rudy! An Investigative Biography by Wayne Barrett

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/060407_giuliani_mobster.html

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272 posted on 05/10/2007 5:33:29 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: conservative in nyc
Abortion is a very important to 9%-13% of the electorate - on both sides (but mostly on the pro-life side). It is an issue, but not a dealbreaker, for the rest of the electorate. Even a 10-percentage point defection to a third party candidate isn't going to change the result in most Southern states.

First, it's one thing for squishy voters to go for a generally pro-choice guy like Bill Clinton. But Giuliani is not moderate on abortion. He's for public funding, he's donated to Planned Parenthood, etc. -- you can't get more liberal on that issue, short of China's one-child policy.

Second, your bizarre assumption is that abortion is the *only* issue that's problematic for Rudy. Gun issues, freedom issues, the WOT, etc. will alienate other constituencies.

273 posted on 05/10/2007 5:37:16 AM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: TommyDale

Beautiful———More people are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 ! (TommyDale’s new tag line)


274 posted on 05/10/2007 5:43:13 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Liz

I didn’t realize that EACH DAY in the U.S, 3,700 babies are aborted. Worldwide, the number is 46 million per year!! (1996 statistics)

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html


275 posted on 05/10/2007 5:48:26 AM PDT by TommyDale (More people are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: bcbuster; xzins; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; blue-duncan; jude24
If Rudy thinks he is going to win the Republican primary in ANY state by emphasizing his pro-abortion views then he has really lost it.

Actually his strategy may be to present himself as the only alternative to all the other candidates in the field. Everyone else is attempting to portray themselves as pro-life and anti-abortion. I think he thinks that if he comes across as pro-abortion, that he can pick up all of the liberal republican and RINO votes in the primaries and walk away with 25 to 30% of the primary votes and if the other 7 or 8 candidates take in 10% each, he can walk away with the nomination.

I think he is running away from the base because he knows that the base (Family oriented religious conservatives) will NEVER support him. What surprises me, however, is how many family oriented religious conservatives actually do support him. Maybe this will change their minds. Maybe not.

276 posted on 05/10/2007 5:49:11 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Liz

The family tree of Eric Rudolph.......


277 posted on 05/10/2007 5:53:10 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: dirtboy

I read a few days ago that 90 percent of women would procure an abortion if they knew that they had a child on the way with a deformity. Maybe that’s the clientele that Giuliani is wooing.


278 posted on 05/10/2007 5:54:01 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Jake The Goose
The family tree of Eric Rudolph.......

You just went around the bend with that one, pilgrim - trying to paint the entire pro-life movement with the Eric Rudolph brush.

279 posted on 05/10/2007 5:55:28 AM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

In both 1976 and 1996 there were conservative planks in the GOP platforms disavowed by Ford and Dole both years. In 1864, General McClellan disavowed his own Democrat platform which blasted that war as a failure and urged a negotiated settlement. The once popular Edwin W. Edwards of Louisiana, I believe, said that his support for Jimmy Carter was based on the notion that no one had read the Democrat platform, would read it, and it would never be adopted any way.


280 posted on 05/10/2007 5:56:28 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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