Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 6 May 2007

Various big media television networks ^ | 6 May 2007 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, May 6th, 2007

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.; House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio; the Rev. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's public policy arm.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Former CIA Director George Tenet.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y.; former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga.

THIS WEEK (ABC): Former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C.; Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : Sens. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.; former Gov. Jim Gilmore, R-Va.; Syrian Ambassador Imad Moustapha; Iraqi Ambassador Samir Sumaidaie; Egyptian Ambassador Nabil Fahmy.

[Christian4Bush]

“The DBM needs to remember that W IS the CinC, not Congress.”

But the problem is the fact that Congress doesn’t know they aren’t the CinC.

The DBM will carry their water and make the people believe that the Congress has the right to decide who and where the troops will fight because it fits their anti-Military...anti-W template and bias’.

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Morning, all.

To your above points, ditto and an addition:

When I heard the President’s veto speech the other day, I wished that among all of the things he said - all good - he had mentioned the most glaring reason why he couldn’t sign that piece of offal bill they sent him. (He mentioned it later, in his official “Message to the House”) That is, their bill was unconstitutional because it infringed on the powers vested in the Presidency by the Constitution, as Commander in Chief.

(I bet that KKK Byrd or any other “Constitution wavers” on the left (or Hagel on the Republican left) will bring that up. [ya, right] But I digress.)

So the Left wants to keep using their polls, made up or not? Fine. I’ll use the results of my polls...rather, the Election Day polls.

Poll Number One: votes for current Speaker Pelosi: less than 200,000. Votes for current Senate Maj. Leader Dingy Harry: Less than a million. Votes for George W Bush for President in 2004: over 62 million.

Poll average #2: results of Presidential elections since (and including) 1972. 24 years Republican, 12 years Democrat (2 presidents.)

In the last 28 years, 20 years Republican, 8 years Democrat (1 president - 2 if you count Hillary).

And it’s quite likely that the reasons for those numbers are being borne out on our televisions with these in-kind contributions to the Democrat party (known as the Sunday Morning Talk Shows), and in Republican debates moderated by the Leftest of the Left (no different than the nationwide presidential debates).

[kabar]

So in essence many of the political appointments were accepted as govt. career employees with all the accompanying protections is what you are saying.

No, just the opposite. If you read the GAO Report, you will see that the number of political appointees and their jobs that were converted to career employees and career jobs was very small. The government employee unions watch this like a hawk, even though they favor the Dems generally. The bottom line is that there are not many Clinton holdovers nor will there be many Bush holdovers when his administration comes to a close.

In other words it seems reasonable to assume that if the President really wanted to get rid of someone in his govt. he might have a pretty good chance of doing so.

The President can get rid of anyone listed in the Plum Book, whether they are political appointees or career employees. The political appointees leave government, the career employees stay but go to other jobs, usually non-political appointee jobs. The President can not arbitrarily get rid of a career employee, only for reasons of cause and there is a lengthy process that must be followed. The President can use some pressure through his political appointees to move people around in the bureaucracy, but not get rid of them.

Bubba seemed to be able to pick and choose just about anyone he wanted.

Just a perception, not a fact.

This is your area I realize Kabar, so if I am President and want to get rid of someone, how do I go about it?

The President can remove anyone occupying a political appointee job. He can do it immediately. The elephant in the room is that no President can change the institutional culture of the bureaucracy. There is just a thin veneer of political appointees overseeing a huge bureaucracy. The CIA, DOD, State Department etc. have their own views of the world and biases. Presidents come and go, but the bureaucrats stay on. They can use red tape, leaks to the press, etc. to outlast and thwart their political masters. It is very difficult to implement change in the bureaucracy, especially trying to impose it from the outside.

[BusterBear]

Is there any question that Tenet was in the Wilson/Plame loop?

Tenet was sore that the CIA was getting blamed for so much (and justifiably so). The Wilson/Plame stuff was a distraction and payback operation designed to take the heat off the CIA and gain some sympathy (evil Bush Administrator outs a poor operator working stiff in revenge for their being exposed as liars and fabricators of intelligence).

[mathluv]

Heaven forbid that they actually read the Constitution!

[Christian4Bush]

re: Fred Thompson’s Lincoln Club address

Did you catch the part where he said he was trying to keep Novak from reading his notes? LOL

i have to listen to the rest later, but I heard it was great.

[kabar]

The President has failed to confront the Dems with their logical inconsistencies on Iraq and Afghanistan. Their justification for staying in Afghanistan could just as easily be used to justify our continued presence in Iraq. I don’t blame the MSM entirely for Bush not getting his message out. He has not proven to be a good communicator nor has the WH done enough to counter the Dem propaganda. The real war on Iraq is being fought in the battle for American public opinion, and the WH is losing that battle.

[Arrowhead1952]

Just got home from Church and trying to catch the highlights - if there are any.

[kabar]

I also think that a lot of the career people that got put into positions of power during the Clinton years were the overtly partisan ones, willing to “kiss Clinton’s ring” and make clear that they’re loyalty was to the Clintonistas and not to the country. From contacts I have who left both organizations in the 90s I know this to be the case in both the CIA and Pentagon.

That happens in every administration. The political apppointees have a tendency to move those who agree with their positions into top jobs. No wants a naysayer as a deputy.

The Clinton political appointees sought out and rewarded loyal bureaucrats. They stayed loyal to Billary even as career employees after the Clinton’s left office and have been waging a war against the Bush White House from day one. The shadow government.

It works both ways. Bureaucrats support political appointees who go along with their recommendations and ideas. Colin Powell was widely respected and admired at the State Department. He was a career bureaucrat who knew the system and how to operate in it. Condi is having a more difficult time. The State Department employee union, AFSA, has been having a running battle with her over a variety of issues.

So, the career bureaucrats who were "loyal" may just be reflecting their own and/or corporate view of the world that coincided with the Clinton view. There is no doubt that with few exceptions, most of the USG bureacracy is left of center politically. And that won't change anytime soon since they recruit the people into the organization.

[Bahbah]

LOL...this is from Red State: “Wallace thanked Dodd for appearing on the show. Chris Dodd replied: “I appreciate it, Chris, very, very much.” Chris Dodd thanked FOX News. It’s time for the lefties to issue important action alerts and show Dodd how powerful they are, etc.”

[Morgan in Denver]

Any man who can sit behind a desk receiving oral sex, while discussing serious national business on the telephone is not a good leader nor much of a man. Just my opinion.

And yes, I should have remembered Clinton not seeing the CIA Director. Great addition. Thanks for the reminder. This shows the validity of what Tenet said, as to the plausibility concerning his relationship with Clinton, and could have been similar with President Bush.

[Morgan in Denver]

I’ve been off for awhile myself. Welcome back to both of us.

[mathluv]

Maybe he has been invited because he won his suit against McDermott. Was that even mentioned????? Anywhere????

[STARWISE]

I am SO sick of this false argument that there weren't chemical weapons in Iraq!!! Ask the people of Halabjah .. how did all those THOUSANDS of them die?? Poisoned by Saddam's aerial boming of chemical weapons!!

"What happened to Halabja on the Bloody Friday?

The brutal massacre of the oppressed and innocent people of Halabja began before the sunrise of Friday, 18th of March 1988. The Iraqi regime committed its most tragic and horrible crime from the beginning of the imposed war until now against the civilian people on Friday, 18th of March. On that day, Halabja was bombarded more than twenty times by Iraqi regime's warplanes with chemical and cluster bombs.

That Friday afternoon, the magnitude of Iraqi crimes became evident. In the streets and alleys of Halabja, corpses piled up over one another.

Tens of children, while playing in front of the their houses in the morning, were martyred instantly by cyanide gases. The innocent children did not even have time to run back home. Some children fell down at the threshold of the door of their houses and never rose again."

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WHY hasn't this been POUNDED into the headlines .. if not by the twisted MSM.. then our people???

Ask our military who found 3,00 0 fresh chemical suits the first week of fighting !!

And why would they have our troops strap on heavy chemical suits in blazing hot weather, FOR NO REASON??

"The soldiers also in their chemical suits now. This is what's called mop one. It's the first of four stages of readiness for a chemical attack, or a chemical threat. It's the jacket that they're wearing, and the pants. Obviously, it's pretty hot here now. We're in midday. And the soldiers are sitting in the shade waiting for action, because it is pretty hot out in the open air."

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It's disgusting and outrageous that this fallacy is allowed to be mispoken ... over and over and over again !!

Please .. Karen Hughes .. Condi .. General Hayden ..somebody: STOP the madness!

Rant off .........

[STARWISE]

It was great ... and I’m sure SO true .. LOL.

[Morgan in Denver]

I watched Chris Dodd suggest raising taxes to support alternative fuel and solve the energy situation.

If Senator Dodd were serious about solving our energy dependency, there are other things that can he done, better and faster.

1. Encourage and give tax credits for nuclear power plants to build more and increase their use.

2. Allow drilling in ANWR and off shore where we know oil is located.

3. Encourage more refinery construction and production to provide more fuel. As well as offering tax incentives and relaxing federal mandates.

4. Get off the environmental myths and fantasies.

5. Help Al Gore find a real job.

[Bahbah]

Red State also points out what a liar Edwards is: “Edwards said that he’s never been to Iraq, and he said he couldn’t go as a civilian. His peeps, he said, are trying to find a way to get him there as a civilian: “If there’s any way I can go, I’m going.” (I’m at a loss for words, right now. Victoria and Jeff have just returned from Iraq.)”

How many “civilians” do we know of who have been to Iraq...Rush, Sean, Laura Ingraham, Debbie Argel, etc.

Edwards just doesn’t want to take a chance on getting his pretty self hurt.

[mathluv]

Some numbers are built artificially - by ‘giving’ subscriptions to emloyees of the overall company. It goes down as a ‘subscription’, but the money is ‘in house’.

[rodguy911]

Would congress be able to legislate change in such an entrenched bureaucracy?And is that likely to ever happen?

[Morgan in Denver]

I had not heard that one. Thanks. Poor Edwards, he’d go to Iraq but it would be hard to find a good barber there.

[rodguy911]

Others have stated on here that often times the President’s messages never get through the DBM filters.