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Native American DNA Found In UK
BBC ^ | 4-5-2007

Posted on 05/05/2007 2:28:21 PM PDT by blam

Native American DNA found in UK

By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

Doreen (left) with daughter Rebecca and granddaughter Anais

DNA testing has uncovered British descendents of Native Americans brought to the UK centuries ago as slaves, translators or tribal representatives.

Genetic analysis turned up two white British women with a DNA signature characteristic of American Indians.

An Oxford scientist said it was extremely unusual to find these DNA lineages in Britons with no previous knowledge of Native American ancestry.

Indigenous Americans were brought over to the UK as early as the 1500s.

Many were brought over as curiosities; but others travelled here in delegations during the 18th Century to petition the British imperial government over trade or protection from other tribes.

Experts say it is probable that some stayed in Britain and married into local communities.

Doreen Isherwood, 64, from Putney, and Anne Hall, 53, of Huddersfield, only found out about their New World heritage after paying for commercial DNA ancestry tests.

Mrs Isherwood told BBC News: "I was expecting the results to say I belonged to one of the common European tribes, but when I got them back, my first thought was that they were a mistake.

"It rocked me completely. It made think: who am I?"

Ancestral home

The chartered physiotherapist studied for a degree at the University of North Carolina, but had no idea she possessed Native American ancestors. She said she came from a long line of Lancashire cotton weavers.

Raleigh brought Indians from the Jamestown area to England

Mrs Isherwood added that she was "immensely proud" of her newfound heritage, which has renewed a long-standing interest in Native American culture.

Anne Hall, who works as a private educational tutor, commented: "I was thrilled to bits. It was a very pleasant surprise. To have Native American blood is very exotic."

She said she now aimed to investigate her family history in an attempt to track down the source of her rare genetic lineage.

Mrs Isherwood says her American antecedent must have arrived in Britain in the 18th or 17th Centuries. She has traced her maternal ancestors back to 1798 and has found no sign of New World progenitors.

Maternal clans

The tests taken by both women were based on analysis of DNA inside the "powerhouses" of our cells: the mitochondria.

Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is passed down from mother to daughter more or less unchanged; but changes, or mutations, accumulate in the DNA sequence over successive generations.

Pocahontas was the daughter of a Native American chief

Scientists can use these changes to classify mtDNAs into broad types (called haplogroups) which, to some extent, reflect a person's geographical origin.

Mrs Isherwood and Mrs Hall possessed haplogroups characteristic of the indigenous people of the Americas, which are referred to as A and C.

"It's very unusual. Most of the people we test belong to one of the European maternal clans," said Professor Bryan Sykes, whose company Oxford Ancestors carried out the tests for Doreen and Anne.

Professor Sykes, also a professor of human genetics at the University of Oxford, said: "There are matches between [Doreen and Anne] and particular Native American tribes, but that doesn't necessarily mean those are the tribes their ancestors came from."

Trickle of immigrants

This month marks the 400th anniversary of Jamestown, the first permanent English-speaking settlement in North America.

Alden Vaughan, a professor emeritus at Columbia University, in New York, has written a book on American Indians in Britain. He said indigenous peoples from the New World began arriving in Britain as early as the sixteenth century.

"It started earlier than Jamestown. A number were brought over through the 1500s, mainly as curiosities," he told BBC News. Others were taken to Britain to learn English and go back to the colonies as translators.

"Sir Walter Raleigh brought back several individuals from the Jamestown area and from the Orinoco valley. Pocahontas went to England in 1616 and died there the next year.

"She was accompanied by several of her tribal associates. Some of them stayed in England for several years. I don't know of any marriages or even relationships between those women and Englishmen, but it is certainly possible.

"Later in the 17th Century, Native American slaves were brought over. I don't know much about them, because all the evidence I have are ads in London newspapers for runaway bond-servants, described as being Indians."


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KEYWORDS: americans; dna; godsgravesglyphs; native; uk
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To: blam
"I was thrilled to bits. It was a very pleasant surprise.

Now I can try to get a share of casino revenue.

81 posted on 05/06/2007 3:51:59 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301
"Could have been brought over by Vikings. Could have been a Scraeling who long ago went too far out in his kayak and ended up on the shores of the UK."

Maybe.

Benjamin Franklin had Sa'ami mtDNA too. (haplogroup V)

82 posted on 05/06/2007 4:07:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: EternalVigilance
"In my family, throughout many lines, there is a story that we are descended from Capt. John Smith and Pocahontas. No official records exist to prove it, but the story is not entirely implausible."

Pocahontas married and had a child with John Rolfe, not Capt. John Smith.

83 posted on 05/06/2007 4:08:09 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert

True. But that was later, after Smith had returned to England, and she and her tribe had been told he was dead. [Her father didn’t believe it, and sent someone to spy on Jamestown looking for him.]

There is very good reason to believe that they cohabitated for several years, and that they were in fact “married” by her tribes’ lights.


84 posted on 05/06/2007 4:11:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: EternalVigilance
"There is very good reason to believe that they cohabitated for several years, and that they were in fact “married” by her tribes’ lights."

Perhaps.....but I'm unaware of any evidence to suggest she had children with Capt. Smith.

85 posted on 05/06/2007 4:14:34 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert

As I said. I have the family names, and the family stories, but no proof. Of course, Capt. Smith’s life could easily have been forfeit if such a laison had been known. Rolfe had to get special dispensation to marry her.


86 posted on 05/06/2007 4:24:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: EternalVigilance; Godebert
Descendant of John Rolfe and Pocahantas to Speak at NGS Conference
87 posted on 05/06/2007 4:34:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: EternalVigilance; Godebert
Pocahontas Family Tree
88 posted on 05/06/2007 4:37:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mckaughan/combined/nti02939.htm


89 posted on 05/06/2007 4:46:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: blam

Really interesting history, no matter what:

http://www.williamsburgprivatetours.com/Pocahontas%20smith.htm


90 posted on 05/06/2007 4:53:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: blam
"Do you mean the Blue Fugates?"

I think he meant the Woe Fugawes. They were a lost tribe. I dont think they were Irish though.

91 posted on 05/06/2007 5:14:08 PM PDT by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: blam

What’s all this “marriage” stuff? More like woodpile.


92 posted on 05/06/2007 6:28:31 PM PDT by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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To: Godebert

http://cappyzeb.freeyellow.com/ancestors/pages/hiatt/jspoc/smith-poc.htm


93 posted on 05/07/2007 6:30:29 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: blam

Looks like the old bingo marker trick!!


94 posted on 05/07/2007 6:34:22 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: blam

Well, that’s more Indian ancestry than Ward Churchill has.


95 posted on 05/07/2007 9:18:53 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: blam; All

I was told that the Mongolian spot occurred in the center of the lower back in the coxyx (sp?) area near the buttocks.

My dark complexioned brother had it at birth, but it faded. I am told that in our family it comes from the Mongol invasion into eastern Europe. My mother’s family came from East Prussia/Kaliningrad.

Regarding “black Irish”, I didn’t find reference to that on the link, but my understanding is that they were dark complexioned Irish who resulted from stranded Spaniards of the wrecked Snanish Armada developing a fondness for Irish lasses. As they were usually both Catholic, it worked out.


96 posted on 05/08/2007 9:12:09 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
"Regarding “black Irish”, I didn’t find reference to that on the link, but my understanding is that they were dark complexioned Irish who resulted from stranded Spaniards of the wrecked Snanish Armada developing a fondness for Irish lasses. As they were usually both Catholic, it worked out."

Yup...I've seen this cited time and again. Bryan Sykes says the DNA evidence does not support it.

97 posted on 05/08/2007 9:28:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
: How did a Skolt Sa'ami become a south Alabama farm girl? (My mother)
Norse trader marries a Sa'ami. 200 years later a decendent decides taht the farmland around Jarvik sucks and goes a viking. He joins a party that lands near what is now York. The Vikings find little organized resistance but good land. They send for their wives, children, slaves... The Framer and his wife, now in Britain have a few kids. This group, forms a colony, also called Jarvik. The inhabitants intermarry with the indigenous peoples. The city of York is eventually conquered by the English.
Fast forward 800 years and someone goes to Georgia or South Carolina. One of her daughters or grand daughters joins her own husband in finding better land in what had been Indian territory.

PS. I've had fun with my own DNA.

98 posted on 05/12/2007 1:40:22 AM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: blam

2008 bump.


99 posted on 02/04/2008 6:55:14 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Grizzled Bear

You must have had the same stupid (or revenue hungry) dentist I had as a child. Filling healthy teeth, what a racket!!!


100 posted on 02/04/2008 7:02:56 PM PST by 3Lean
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