Posted on 05/04/2007 8:48:35 PM PDT by james500
Russia's Parliament has voted to restore the communist-era hammer and sickle to the official flag of the Russian Army.
It is expect President Vladimir Putin will ratify the move in time for next week's commemorations marking the end of World War II in Europe.
If so, Russians will again have the Soviet version of the victory banner for next week's Victory in Europe parade in Moscow.
For many Russians, especially the elderly, its symbolism is immense.
The red banner, together with the hammer, sickle and a white star, was the one raised on the Reichstag roof on May 1, 1945.
Millions of people all over the world know that photograph, but in Russia its significance is much deeper, with the Soviet victory over fascism in World War II remaining something seen in almost religious terms.
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“Patton never experienced the horrors of the Eastern Front.If he had, he might have dropped his pearl-handed revolvers and ran.”
I take it you do not like the best American General of all time. I also take it that you do not know that he stared down Messershmidts and charging horsemen with those Colts.
Who are your favorite generals? The Russian ones that sent their men to combat with 2 bullets and a gun pointed at their backs? Or the Russian generals that sent their own soldiers to the Gulag after WWII because they saw how prosperous Europe was. Or how about the KGB generals that killed 100 million in the last century?
I don’t think it was inevatible. However, even if the USSR did still exist as it was, it would be very similar to what Russia is now.
The US should attempt to crash the oil market again, and send these dictators (Putin, Chavez, ect) packing.
Soviet WWII Military Losses Estimated At Nearly 9 Million
May 8th, 2007 — Russia has raised its estimate for the number of Soviet troops killed in World War II to 8.86 million.==
Accually those estimates was one in 1992 in the book of general Krivoshein.
Estimates put at more than 25 million the total number of Soviet civilian and military war dead.==
Accually as far as I red same article Kirilinhe said that total soviet losses amount is about 11 mlns. Accually it is decrease not increase.
You can google until the cows come home. I have a graduate degree in Soviet studies. I lived in the USSR during parts of those times, the spouse of a Soviet citizen. I learned how to read Soviet papers to discern the truth. I have family members who spent time in Soviet gulags. My FIL was a dissident, jailed for over 15 years. One thing I know well, learned from a spouse who was taught well by my FIL, is how communists think.==
I agree with you. I told here many times that the best thing Reagan did is to support Gorbachav and ease Cold war. If not the Gorbachev couldn’t do his “perestroika” and eventually let down Soviet Union.
I know WHY Joe refuse that explanation. Because if he agrees with you then Joe must admit that West didn’t won Cold war. So it means that West isn’t that strong:).
The US should attempt to crash the oil market again, and send these dictators (Putin, Chavez, ect) packing.==
Only way to do it is to switch on hydrogen-powered energy. I’m by 2 hands for it because I see each days the smoking mirriads of cars on the streets of Moscow and I have to breath all that they exhume.
Toobad pres Bush squandered about 1 trln of dollars on his stupid war. So United States has no money for fanancing new researches.
Most of the peasants who died in the Holodomor were not loyal to the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks seized power; They were not supported by a majority of the Russian or the Ukrainian populations.
As for your first link, there were pogroms by Petliura’s men. But for most anti communists of the time, “Jew” = “Bolshevik”. Jews were disproportionately, in relation to their population, represented in the higher echelons of the Bolshevik party.
The canard that Ukrainians collaborated with the Nazis is absolutely false, a myth propagated by the Wiesenthal Centre to today. All research indicates that collaboration by the Ukrainian populace was of the same level as in other Allied countries - less than 1%. German archival documentation also provides proof that, despite their efforts to incite the local populace to pogroms, Ukrainians did not heed the call.
Now, having known individuals who survived the German invasion, I can tell you that the first thing the Germans did when entering a village was to locate the village’s Jews and their communists. They were round up and shot. Further, unlike in say, a French village, identifying Jews in Ukraine (and, to a lesser extent, Poland) was quite simple. Jews dressed differently from Ukrainians. They didn’t speak Ukrainian (only Polish or Yiddish).
As for Volhynia, this was carried out by UPA. Ukrainian nationalists allied neither with the Nazis nor the Soviets.
And, you may wish to link some articles on ethnic cleansing by Poles of Ukrainian villages; It was a two way street.
It was inevitable because the economy could not improve dramatically. You either have oppression or economic growth. In a Slav culture, you could not have both.
I’d agree that Gorbachev had no intention of changing anything.
He also was not the first Russian General Secretary. While Khrushchev and Brezhnev were both from Ukraine, both were ethnic Russians.
Ivan tries to give the credit to Gorbachev because he wants to deny it to Yeltsin, who is to be denounced as a western pawn.
Then again, Patton would have never survived the USSR’s or Nazi Germany's political climate. Heck, he could barely survive the Allies...
Besides, they were not pearl handled - they were ivory!
Then again, Patton would have never survived the USSR’s or Nazi Germany's political climate. Heck, he could barely survive the Allies...
Besides, they were not pearl handled - they were ivory!
It was never dead only in a self induced COMA.
Whatever flag they fly, they are still commies...
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