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GOP Dark Horses Fail To Gallop In Debate
The Politico/CBS News ^ | May 4, 2007 | Mike Murphy

Posted on 05/04/2007 9:01:44 AM PDT by presidio9

Despite the 100 laptops urgently typing away here in the press room, it’s hard to say much really happened tonight at the first Republican presidential primary debate.

The early campaign's Big Three — McCain, Romney and Rudy — all performed well and avoided any deadly mistakes.

None of the dark horse candidates broke through, although several performed credibly and probably increased interest in their campaigns.

Each of the Big Three had their strong moments.

John McCain made the biggest strategic move of the night, reaching back out to the center with a blunt appraisal of the Bush administration’s many mistakes in the Iraq war and expressing strong support for stem cell research.

While these issues are not GOP primary orthodoxy, McCain is never going to be the perfect Republican base candidate. By reaching back to his reformist, centrist roots, a feisty McCain clearly is making a move to reconnect with independent voters.

I think this is a shrewd move, because the authentic McCain is the most impressive McCain to voters, even conservative primary voters.

After a troubling several weeks, McCain is showing his campaign can adjust and improve.

Rudy Giuliani integrated his record of New York City successes into current national problems. But his performance was not as strong as his polling position.

Mitt Romney was smooth and probably won some new admirers for his presidential style.

That said, each had a stumble or two.

McCain had a Yosemite Sam moment early in the debate as he vowed to deposit Osama bin Laden into the gates of hell.

Rudy got tied up in the sharp end of abortion politics with a cloudy answer about his position on Roe v. Wade. He’ll need to get a lot crisper to survive the campaign.

Mitt Romney fumbled a bit on a very predictable question about his evolution on the abortion issue, essentially repeating his answer twice in an awkward loop.

Among the other candidates, Sam Brownback had a particularly strong night. He talked with passion and elegance about the social issues that are the backbone of his candidacy.

Surprisingly, Congressman Tom Tancredo didn’t hammer the powerful immigration issue.

The bottom line: 90 minutes, 10 candidates, no knockouts, no big changes.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debate; giuliani; presidentialdebate; romney
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1 posted on 05/04/2007 9:01:48 AM PDT by presidio9
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McCain had a Yosemite Sam moment early in the debate as he vowed to deposit Osama bin Laden into the gates of hell.

I don't see anything wrong with this in principle...
2 posted on 05/04/2007 9:06:12 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Eph 6:12)
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To: presidio9

Odd...he doesn’t mention the absolutely STUPID questions they were asked and how that relates to current national issues.

Probably because they got the questions from Katie Couric.


3 posted on 05/04/2007 9:06:20 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: presidio9
John McCain made the biggest strategic move of the night, reaching back out to the center with a blunt appraisal of the Bush administration’s many mistakes in the Iraq war and expressing strong support for stem cell research.

How pathetic. He still thinks he can elevate his fading candidacy by poking a stick in the eye of his base.

4 posted on 05/04/2007 9:07:15 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: presidio9
The bottom line: 90 minutes, 10 candidates, no knockouts, no big changes.

The bottom line: 90 minutes, 10 candidates, no debate, no answers, no dignity, no shame.

5 posted on 05/04/2007 9:07:27 AM PDT by angkor
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To: presidio9
This is exactly why the media pushed for the campaign to begin early and what the media intended to do with the GOP.

This is why Fred Thompson is wise like a fox and not entering the race too soon.

6 posted on 05/04/2007 9:07:32 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: JamesP81

That was the best thing he said all night “We will have revenge on him, and we will chase him to the gates of Hell” I actually started clapping.


7 posted on 05/04/2007 9:07:50 AM PDT by oakcon (America wants you: Run Fred Run!)
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To: presidio9
The media wants the conservatives out of the race, pronto.

The media likes the big three: Giulinai and McCain will be easily destroyed, and Romney is an unelectable Mormon.

The media is full of optimism.

8 posted on 05/04/2007 9:08:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: presidio9
The early campaign's Big Three — McCain, Romney and Rudy — all performed well and avoided any deadly mistakes.

Rudy, however, showed that his comment last month about a strict constructionist being able to uphold Roe as precedent was not a slip of the tongue, but a held belief on his part.

And the abortion anaconda continues to coil tighter around Rudy's campaign.

9 posted on 05/04/2007 9:10:00 AM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: presidio9
I think this is a shrewd move, because the authentic McCain is the most impressive McCain to voters, even conservative primary voters.

Impressive? Umm... OK. Only if you count severe loathing in the "impressed" column.

I don't know anyone who thinks highly of McCain and isn't either A) a Liberal, B) a Journalist, or C) Both.

10 posted on 05/04/2007 9:13:00 AM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: Right Cal Gal

Yes, too many really stupid questions.


11 posted on 05/04/2007 9:13:05 AM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: dirtboy

If there is a exact word for word transcript I think you’ll find that Rooty flat out lied about supporting Gov fundinding of abortion. Even Matthews caught it and ask him again.

Then he tried to spin it like he does gun control saying he only supports it for NYC.


12 posted on 05/04/2007 9:15:36 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: presidio9
The most likely nominee wasn’t there.
13 posted on 05/04/2007 9:17:50 AM PDT by oyez
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To: Jane Austen

>Yes, too many really stupid questions.<

Planted in Politico - I knew Matthews would use them out of all the really good questions submitted. Matthews also slid over the dark horses in favor of the “top 3” - none of whom I would vote at this point.


14 posted on 05/04/2007 9:17:55 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Right Cal Gal

When did Marshall Applewhite announce for the Republican nomination? I liked what he had to say.

15 posted on 05/04/2007 9:19:58 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Today’s CHANGED nomination probabilities, per Intrade contracts:

Rudy Giuliani 29.9% (-2.1%)
F Thompson 16.3% (+1.2%)
Mitt Romney 17.5% (+2.2%)
Ron Paul 0.4% (+0.2%)


16 posted on 05/04/2007 9:22:29 AM PDT by mdefranc (?)
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I would like Brownback to ratchet it up a notch. Every now and then he seems to display real ability and solid thinking.


17 posted on 05/04/2007 9:27:46 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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18 posted on 05/04/2007 9:31:44 AM PDT by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: Paperdoll
Matthews shouldn't even be allowed in the Reagan Library. Assuming he ever wanted to visit, would Bill O'Reilley be welcome in the Clinton Library?
19 posted on 05/04/2007 9:31:57 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Beagle8U
Looks like you caught him flip-flopping within his own response:

http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=5562636

MR. MATTHEWS: Let me get back to Governor -- Mayor Giuliani because I want to give you a chance on this. You became very well known for standing up against the use of public funds for what many people considered indecent exhibits at the Brooklyn Museum and places like that.

Why do you support the use of public funds for abortion?

MR. GIULIANI: I don't. I support the Hyde amendment. I hate abortion. I wish people didn't have abortions.

MR. MATTHEWS: So you're not for funding at all?

MR. GIULIANI: I believe that the Hyde amendment should remain the law. States should make their decision. Some states decide to do it, most states decide not to do it. And I think that's the appropriate way to have this decided.

MR. MATTHEWS: Should New York -- when you were mayor of New York, should they have been paying for -- the state should have been paying for --

MR. GIULIANI: That's a decision New York made a long time ago, and New York --

MR. MATTHEWS: And where were you on that?

MR. GIULIANI: I supported it in New York. But I think in other places, people can come to a different decision.

MR. MATTHEWS: Thank you.

20 posted on 05/04/2007 9:35:44 AM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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